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More Government Overreach 1 year 3 months ago #41392

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You’re welcome, Don. No idea how I remembered! Haha!
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More Government Overreach 1 year 3 months ago #41391

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Laurie wrote: Great article. However. The Kratom Information and Resources group quoted primarily in this article is the same group we were warned about by the AKA a couple of months ago.

To summarize why the warning (not using professional AKA terminology): this group is a copycat group of the AKA. They claim to be offering the SAME SERVICES to the kratom community and are seeking donations FOR THE SAME REASONS and FROM THE SAME DONORS funding the AKA.

The concern is twofold. One, the AKA is already doing this work for members. This group is attempting to take those same donations to provide the same services, ultimately affording our community to appear DIVIDED. Where there is division, there is weakness to be used against us. There is not enough money for two activist groups doing the same work, yet.

I see absolutely nothing of concern besides the parties commenting in the article.


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Thank you for reminding about this other group. I had forgotten all about them, even though it has been a relatively short time. My senility kicked in again. :ohmy:
My Grandkids say I’m a cuckoo head. ;)
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More Government Overreach 1 year 3 months ago #41374

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Robie, your rant was great as far as I am concerned. I share your feelings.
I love America too but it doesn't mean we can't have strong feelings about it when we see things we don't like or see big problems with the system. I love my kids but I know they aren't perfect and when they start heading down the wrong path, I tell them and try to correct their behavior.
Special interests and lobbies with too much money and power take away our voices. Sometimes their interests happen to coincide with our needs but they aren't doing it for us, they are doing it for themselves. Too often our well being and quality of life are compromised by their greed.
I appreciated what you said. It lets me know I am not alone with my opinions. :-bd
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I can appreciate the apology because you stated my feelings precisely AND I’m also not NOT knot naught antigovernment.

Thank you for blowing off steam on my behalf! I feel much better with that load off! Haha!
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Thank you Little Brother. That's very gracious of you and I sure do appreciate it. This depression is from the antibiotics I had to do for my lungs. I really had no choice. Either antibiotics or the eternal "dirt nap". I'll eventually level out. I miss everyone here. I hereby say hello to everyone!! A nicer and more caring community I couldn't have asked for!

Be blessed in all things!!!

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Hey Robbie… From where I’m standing no apologies needed, I feel your frustration and I share and on that frustration as well, it’s absolutely ludicrous the things that go down with our government and the regulating agencies all supposedly for our well-being… Ha ha ha
Sorry you’re having a little bit of a blue spell, I can appreciate that… I’m prone to melancholy, grading definitely helps keep me busy and looking with some positive looking glass… I must’ve not seen that Laurie was having a tough time, thinking about both of you and Hope it gets better faster than not ..: I have much respect, appreciation and love for both of you…

Your little bro from another mo (L)

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Miss seeing u here Robie ... though I’ve been busy and haven’t been around as much I I’d like .... say what up to Twink ??!! B-) (L)

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Good evening everyone! I hope everyone has a really nice and peaceful evening. Safe and secure and happy. I hope you start feeling better soon Laurie. I'm in a blue funk that comes at me in waves. I have great empathy with what you go through with your illness. I can't begin to imagine my depressions being translated to body pain! Bless your heart.

I'm sorry if I took my rant too far. I do not believe in sowing seeds of discontent involving this wonderful country that I have always called home. I hope I haven't given anyone who reads these forums the wrong idea about my person. If I did I ask for pardon. I do not like to openly, or in private, criticize the government. There are good people in government who ARE trying to do the right thing. They listen to their constituents and try to help. It's wrong that I paint with such a large brush the whole. There are exceptions to every rule. What Gottlieb did may be legal but it doesn't mean it's just. Or morally acceptable.

I love America. I love the American vision of what a person can make of their life. But there are some things that need to be addressed. If you can dream, I do, of America where the People are the largest and most important PAC. We the People need to be that PAC. And it shouldn't involve tons of money either. It should involve integrity and honesty from our elected officials. And our elected officials should expect the same honesty and integrity from the people whom they appoint to positions of power to the Federal agencies. That's my hope and dream.

Again I humbly ask for your pardon. I didn't mean to upset anyone. I'm not excusing myself. But I've been an open raw nerve lately and when I read about Pfizer and the article posted about E-Cigs my rubber band snapped.

Be blessed all!

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Great article. However. The Kratom Information and Resources group quoted primarily in this article is the same group we were warned about by the AKA a couple of months ago.

To summarize why the warning (not using professional AKA terminology): this group is a copycat group of the AKA. They claim to be offering the SAME SERVICES to the kratom community and are seeking donations FOR THE SAME REASONS and FROM THE SAME DONORS funding the AKA.

The concern is twofold. One, the AKA is already doing this work for members. This group is attempting to take those same donations to provide the same services, ultimately affording our community to appear DIVIDED. Where there is division, there is weakness to be used against us. There is not enough money for two activist groups doing the same work, yet.

I see absolutely nothing of concern besides the parties commenting in the article.
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Here's a link to an article that just got delivered to my google news.
This one is pro kratom and factual (for a change)
I hope it lifts some spirits here. :cheer:
Don
www.westword.com/news/kratom-war-by-feds-media-cla...chdog-group-11405352
My Grandkids say I’m a cuckoo head. ;)
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Laurie wrote: PS: I had not heard that Pfizer is trying to patent 7-Hydroxymitragynine yet. Gottlieb has not even got his plaques of BS hung in his new office (same shitt he had on the walls at the FDA as Commissioner) yet! He’s ALREADY after a patent while telling Indonesian politicians that it’s a DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE to please stop growing it?) Lovely. Just lovely.


Hello everyone!! (waving wildly) I'm very pissed!!!

That's my point Laurie! Gottlieb should be censored and NOT rewarded for his duplicity. AND IT'S SO DAMNED BLATENT!!!! IN the least Gottlieb, by LAW, should NOT be allowed to represent ANY pharma company for 5 effing years!! The American public should demand an explanation from the FDA, DEA and CDC!!! Unfortunately the toadies in the mainstream press that worship favor, power and money instead of the TRUTH have a large percentage of the nation brainwashed. But the powers that be are too chickenshit to come out from behind their PAC's skirts to meet with the Kratom community to even give CREDENCE to their odious behavior!!! In the least Gottlieb has a fiduciary responsibility to recuse himself from the whole Kratom industry!!! It's fraudulent and putting his big ass thumb on one side of the scale!!! Lady justice is blind my ass!!! Gottlieb should be brought before the House Committee on Ethics and put under oath to explain his actions in demonizing the whole Kratom community and by fiat those whom grow and harvest Kratom!!! What a duplicitous and odious system! PAC's are going to destroy this country if people don't wake the hell up!!!

And the bullying tactics of the Federal through their alphabet agencies to have the NERVE to twist the arm of a sovereign country embarrasses me as an American. There are family business' on the line here. And a small and poor group of countries that are, again, having their fate decided by another foreign power much like the Roman Empire did to those who opposed THEIR bullying! I'm so disgusted by the blatant finger that's being thrown, not only to the American citizens, but to smaller and less abled peoples in these smaller countries, whom are unable to defend themselves against the pernicious abuse of Power, Money and Military might. It's nothing short of state sponsored blackmail!!! It shouldn't matter where the American people stand on the question of Kratom. What SHOULD matter is the tactics that are being used for the Federal to look like it's hands are clean in the whole matter. Everyone should be very concerned about THAT abuse!!!

Be blessed dear friends. I'm very pissed at the whole devious and cavalier attitude of these government agencies. And Gottlieb should be brought up on charges of fraud and not rewarded with a golden parachute job with BIG PHARMA!!!

Robie
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