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Complete Newbie here, 2 months 1 week ago #33856

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Also make sure you use a proper teaspoon. Like the ones for cooking. not one that you eat with or a plastic one from the store. they are not actuate and can vary in size.
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Complete Newbie here, 2 months 1 week ago #33859

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Maachuu, i
I use whites during mornings and at work. I will incorporate 40% white 40% green & 20% and star my day off like that. As I go throughout the day I have capsules and Around lunch time take a gram of green & red. Then at the end of the day I go for reds, golds, yellows.. having some capsules of kratom with you at work or away from home is great just in case...
Whites have a purpose and come in handy from time to time...
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No two whites are alike! I loved them during my entire first year. Then I had the issue Nan70 mentioned - no patience and slow traffic shoots my BP into 170/110 (today, matter of fact :-0). I had A LOT TO DO, and it took that one dose of white mixed with red and then reds until my tolerance was going up in general!
Not for traffic! For kratom.

So this afternoon I dug up some incarvillea sinensis (vendor wishes to be unknown on social media) powder (10:1, so I ordered some 20:1 after I took that and 4 picralima (akuamma) seed powder caps (PDO). Extra magnesium citrate tonight for muscle cramp and constipation avoiding. FINALLY my chores got DONE and the pain is chillin.

You may find vendors send whites as samples with your orders, and you can often ask for “a sample of your white blah blah blah would be interesting to try” in comments on your order, since they are exactly as Jazzfan1 stated and not big sellers and must be tried to be appreciated for what they bring to the table, so to speak.

Today’s white Ketapang was compliments to Gold Leaf Botanicals. No pain relief to speak of, but nice long legs to keep me moving (while in pain) from 0500-10:00 tonight! I obviously redosed reds and greens as needed (prn) which was not high in dose size (1/2-1 tsp per dose) from PDO (Pharmacy Drop Out) and Re-Leaf LLC, respectively, every 2 hours or so to avoid stopping project incomplete.

I’ll be SORE tomorrow from needing to be on my feet most all of that time.

Christopher’s Organic Botanicals was the Red Thai contributor today (very nice mood lift as agitation settled down) and now chillin with brand new Red Kapuas Hulu from PDO. If he has any left, I recommend it for those needing a good pain/sedative red. Just don’t take more than 1/2 tsp or you’ll be awake all night (if you are ME suddenly, metabolism wise, haha).

Some of all the above were partially donated, many were paid orders. I am not representing any vendor or saying one is better than another.

I was able to review my inventory and will be needing ONE MORE BAG of stem n vein to help UNDO the tolerance nonsense of today (I’ll be using the remainder up tonight if needed prn and first morning dose will be exclusively stem n vein. Hopefully all day will be stem n vein <fingers crossed>..

Hope this gives you an idea as to how much experimentation AND expense goes into keeping kratom working effectively. No two days are the same! Never dull, that’s for sure!
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Complete Newbie here, 2 months 1 week ago #33868

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"I was able to review my inventory and will be needing ONE MORE BAG of stem n vein to help UNDO the tolerance nonsense of today (I’ll be using the remainder up tonight if needed prn and first morning dose will be exclusively stem n vein. Hopefully all day will be stem n vein <fingers crossed>.." Laurie, can you elaborate more on the "stem n vein" you refer to in the above post ?

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Stem and vein- (this is a copy and paste)
Stem and vein Kratom is a type of powder made solely from the stems and veins of other Kratom products. Stem and vein has a very distinct alkaloid makeup because most of the alkaloids found in stem and vein aren't prevalent in the leaves which means these alkaloids are fairly unique


If you get a true quality stem and vein it will hit different receptors than regular kratom, you should be able to get somewhat similar results and since it hits different receptors the idea it will help reset tolerance level without having to take a kratom break.
likely you will need to take more than your normal dose, some will cut the higher dose in half and add stem and vein to help taper a higher dose.

And I just found this too for more info
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...-for-stem-vein#29565
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Complete Newbie here, 2 months 1 day ago #34037

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I empathize with your back pain. It is totally not fun. I had it recurring for several years.
As far as motivation goes, I started with 200 mg each of caffeine tablets, 5-HTP (precursor of serotonin) and L-Theanine (an amino acid found in green tea). These are available at the biggest online retailer.
I made sure I walked every morning for 30 minutes. Eventually the walking became a 'fun' activity, which I look forward to. Bundle up in this cold weather. They even have Bluetooth headphone earmuffs.
Another thing that really helped my back pain was I NEVER watch TV in a supine position (laying down).
During this process I lost, nearly effortlessly, 50 lbs. (that took about 4 months). My walking increased to up to 3 hours/day. Oh yeah, try to eat 'right' with plenty of vegetables and fruits plus non-fatty proteins.
A few months ago I added kratom to the mix and I'm motivated as heck to get a lot of stuff done! To combat constipation from kratom, I also take 250mg of ducosate sodium, also available at most stores and the biggest online retailer.

Upshot: Previously my back was so painful it was difficult to do anything. First I stopped watching TV from bed/couch. Exercise & eating right are always mentioned...well, it is because it works. The motivational part comes from initiating the process with some help from caffeine and other nutritional supplements, good music/podcasts and kratom helps me get going real good. Good luck. I hope this helped. Wish you well.
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Complete Newbie here, 2 months 7 hours ago #34078

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bkhm:

Also a chronic back pain person here!
It is absolutely essential to keep moving . But it can be so painful I know!

My issue seems to be alignment....Yoga has really helped to straighten me out. In the mix I have also had massage therapy, chiropraactic, and now osteopathy.

My venture into osteopathic treatments has REALLY REALLY helped so if you can find a good therapist who works on alignment go for it! I know a therapy is working when I do NOT head for the kratom cupboard first thing on arising from bed!

Kratom has gone from 4- 5 times per day to about 2 time per day since seeing the osteopath (who is aso an RMT)...go for it!

I also walk, using urban walking poles. I do all my grocery shopping during the week with my poles and my assortment of various colored back packs! All the merchants in the shopping area know me now, and I am so glad to be out and about in the community again rather than stuck inside watching television. I have aso started line dancing at the seniors center and love it.

It has been a 5 year journey to get me here, but I am so much better and so much stronger from physical exercise and manual therapies to straighten me out!

It is Sunday today so I am off to morning Yoga! I walk to the studio of course!
BEV

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Thanks to all that have gave input on my new experience with Kratom. Just want to give update, I purchased a bag of white and red vein. I have used all the white and some of the red. My experience so far is, It did seem to help some with the withdrawal or slow down on taking Norco but never got the energy burst or even the slightest euphoric effect. I took it with orange juice, Mt Dew, water and Pepsi. Just didnt seem to do anything much for making me have the more energy or the change in attitude to get up and be active. Now with the red, well It did have an effect on me that was not desired at all LOL locked my digestive system down to the point of had to eat, drink, swallow all kinds of laxatives and every thing I could think of as far as home remedy laxatives. I am beginning to think that some of the prescription drugs I take counter the kratom . I dont know that is the problem but I havent experienced any of the effects that some others seem to have. My main concern is to get more energy, and more desire to get up and do things instead of just feeling down and out all the time. I am going to try yellow vein next and see what happens. Oh BTW, I took doses from 1mg all the way up to 10mg and still no notable effects to myself. Sorry but just a little more info as to what scripts I take, I am diabetic, high blood pressure, had heart attack 6 years ago, cholesterol meds daily. I may not be wise to be mixing kratom with these scripts either. Just so tired of having no incentive to get out of my chair once I get off work a


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Maachuu,
Do not be discouraged. Kratom binds to the same mu-receptors as other opioids(Norco, tramadol, Oxy, subutext etc.) This means that because you are still taking the norco your receptors are still locked up basically. The Kratom cannot bind to them until they are cleaned off and from what I understand time is the key with this. I'm sure someone WAY more knowledgeable will chime in soon and give better advise.

What I did was I stopped my Subutext (Bupemorphirine) cold turkey and started taking Kratom. I have not really felt the effects of the Kratom YET but I can say for 100% certainty that it is curbing my withdrawals. I even started going into WD a little bit ago and took 4g of Green Bali and now I feel perfectly fine. Sneezing and runny nose has stopped again. So I know that after 8-9 days without the BUPE the Kratom is filling those empty mu-receptors. It will take some more time but within another week I expect to get the full effects of the Kratom and I SO look forward to it.
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maachuu wrote: Thanks to all that have gave input on my new experience with Kratom. Just want to give update, I purchased a bag of white and red vein. I have used all the white and some of the red. My experience so far is, It did seem to help some with the withdrawal or slow down on taking Norco but never got the energy burst or even the slightest euphoric effect. I took it with orange juice, Mt Dew, water and Pepsi. Just didnt seem to do anything much for making me have the more energy or the change in attitude to get up and be active. Now with the red, well It did have an effect on me that was not desired at all LOL locked my digestive system down to the point of had to eat, drink, swallow all kinds of laxatives and every thing I could think of as far as home remedy laxatives. I am beginning to think that some of the prescription drugs I take counter the kratom . I dont know that is the problem but I havent experienced any of the effects that some others seem to have. My main concern is to get more energy, and more desire to get up and do things instead of just feeling down and out all the time. I am going to try yellow vein next and see what happens. Oh BTW, I took doses from 1mg all the way up to 10mg and still no notable effects to myself. Sorry but just a little more info as to what scripts I take, I am diabetic, high blood pressure, had heart attack 6 years ago, cholesterol meds daily. I may not be wise to be mixing kratom with these scripts either. Just so tired of having no incentive to get out of my chair once I get off work a


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BTW you said you took doses from 1mg to 10mg. Did you mean Grams or Milligrams? I am not sure how high of a dose of Norco you are taking but if you are on anything moderate to heavy you will need moderate to high doses of Kratom to replace it. 5-6 Grams of Red should be sedating, pain relieving and give a relaxing feeling. It makes me TIRED. Some people need to dose 8-10 grams while coming off and getting away from powerful opiates.

Again, hopefully someone smart comes in. I'm no expert but I'm learning, out of necessity.
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