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Tramadol and kratom together? 1 month 2 weeks ago #44092

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hey jerry! im glad saw this strain. tramadol was my 'drug of choice' before I found kratom. granted I was prescribed 50 mg pills. 45 of them. and that was supposed to last me 6 months. it usually did. only took one when I really had to. I haven't taken it since I started kratom. well one day but I was still a brand newbie still navigating my experiences and effects. I honestly think once you find your sweet spot with the leaf you will like it more.

I would use kratom to get off tramadol and then taper off kratom to rule all effects out. I bet your headaches might go away after no tramadol that's just my opinion. then once headaches are gone you can go back to the leaf for pain management. I haven't even had a serious headache since I stopped taking it months ago.

I was in a clinical trial for osteoarthritis. it was a shot once a month. I could only take acedemenophen and couldn't even get cortisone. needed a natural option. CBD didn't help much on its own. and the good stuff isn't cheap.

anyways im rambling. listen to your body and whats good for you. nan the link lady always comes through with well written articles. I can bet if its not an every day combo and you space it out that should be ok. I can only speak from my personal experiences. I am intolerant to traditional drugs, its the only thing that worked that stayed down!

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Tramadol and kratom together? 1 month 2 weeks ago #44101

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Jyd: Let me revise my earlier comment. The best use of kratom is -- in a case like yours -- to help you permanently quit the Tramadol and Tylenol1's (which are hard on your liver). Ideally, we suggest people stop taking their meds and only start the kratom when the withdrawals from the opioids are beginning, then let the kratom take over managing the pain.

When you're no longer taking the Rx medications, drug/herb interactions are not a source of worry.

Kratom does have some serotonergic effect, though I've never seen it be referred to as an SSRI in legit medical studies or articles. I'm not sure I'd agree with that statement -- or to agree the combination of Tramadol and kratom could cause "serotonin syndrome".

I think much of the worry about taking kratom roughly at the same time as Tramadol is because there were 9 deaths in Scandinavia from a product caled "Kryptonite" that was kratom powder laced with large amounts of O-desmethyltramadol, a Tramadol metabolite. But the deaths were caused, as I understand it, from the high levels of the O-desmethyltramadol, NOT from the interaction of the kratom.

But, the safest thing would be to walk away from the Rx drugs and use kratom for your pain, not go back-and-forth. The Tramadol and/or the Tylenol 1's may be the cause of your headaches.

The longer you keep going back to Tramadol, the longer it's going to take to get it out of your system and end the habit. Kratom, once you learn to use it and find the strains that work best for you, can be an amazingly effective, but gentle, pain reliever.
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Tramadol and kratom together? 1 month 2 weeks ago #44144

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I want to offer an endorsement to the advice from kemppaulh

It is totally possible to stop the opioid medication and use Kratom only...many of us have done it.

Stay hydrated...that COULD be an underlying cause of the headaches, BUT the drugs could be causing them too.

You won't really know until you get off the drugs and are only taking the Kratom. I had headaches when I first started taking Kratom, but with continued use, and good hydration things improved.
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Tramadol and kratom togethe 1 month 2 weeks ago #44146

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Finding only occasional relief from karatom you might be right , they compete for same receptors . I wonder if the kratom may be more effective once I get off tramadol. My pain specialist said to reduce my dosage even as slow as by 12,5 mg per month. I have already reduced by .25 in the first week. And will reduce by .25 a month . Soi I am now at 75 mg a day. From the 200-300 at peak in summer. He feels it is most likely rebound headaches. But I suspect it is more likely ‘transformed migraines ‘. Virtually incurable
This is from a migraine site that describes my history to a ‘t’. I have suffered daily headaches, 24/7 for over 50years from my occasional and severe classic migraines with aura etc. :
Transformed migraines

An extremely difficult to treat — and all too common — type of CDH is a transformed migraine. This is a migraine that over time becomes more and more frequent, blurring together until there is a 24-hour-a-day continuous background headache with occasional superimposed, more severe migraine symptoms. A transformed migraine headache acts more like a chronic pain syndrome than a migraine in terms of its poor response to typical migraine drugs. Some researchers believe that years of chronic, frequent migraines can cause permanent scarring or other changes in the brain, creating this type of intractable CDH that may not be curable. While there is not a “magic bullet” for such cases, many patients can be effectively managed with a variety of treatments to substantially reduce pain and disability.
Because out of control migraines can transform into a CDH that is difficult to treat, it is very important to establish a good preventive regimen as early in life as possible.
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Tramadol and kratom togethe 1 month 2 weeks ago #44149

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When I say that kratom and Tramadol compete for the mu opioid receptor, this is not a theory of mine, but what the medical research says. There seem to be some exceptions where SOME people can use both with some separation in time. Best practice, I believe, is to reduce your Tramadol as much as you can stand and then begin kratom.

The other thing I've learned from Naturopathic Doctors is that our body must have 90 vitamin, mineral, amino acids, and essential fatty acids (such as fish oils and from flaxseed). Our MDs work on a different paradigm -- knowing practically nothing about the body's proven need for these nutrients -- and treats the headaches and other "diseases" as mysterious occurrences, which they then "treat" with synthetic drugs, which don't address the body's need for natural nutrients (which can't be patented, so Big Pharma has no interest in supplying them).

Read this a couple times, Jyd. I won''t comment again. Consult the work of Joel Wallach, ND, or Peter Glidden, ND, for confirmation. I would argue that your headaches and other aches and pains are nutrient deficiencies (and may, in part, be caused by the years of medications you've been taking). Kratom can help you get off the medications, but the nutrient deficiencies will still need to be addressed.

This has done wonders for major back pain and sciatica for me (I'm age 70). It's a radically different view, but -- if followed -- I've found it produces RESULTS. MDs will contemptuously laugh at it, to defend their sales of drugs and call Wallach a "quack", but he has a huge following and grant-funded research, peer-reviewed, to back up our need for nutrients that aren't in our soil, due to our commercial farming practices.

Good luck, friend!
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Tramadol and kratom togethe 1 month 2 weeks ago #44152

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Jyd

you seem committed to tapering down the tramadol rather than just stopping it and taking Kratom. So I am going to ask you a question that does not require an answer to be shared here on this forum, but it is something you might want to ask yourself.

What are you afraid of?

If you could answer that question for yourself you might have a better idea of how you want to proceed and what is stopping you. You have done a remarkable job so far so you should have confidence in getting the final leg of the journey done.

also, as per kemppaulh, please seek out other treatments for the headaches besides chemicals to treat pain.


I do not believe that headaches are incurable, There has to be a root cause. Having terrible headaches is not the body's natural state.

Something is wrong...BUT your investigation may take a while.
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Tramadol and kratom togethe 1 month 2 weeks ago #44158

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What am i am afraid of? I get severely debilitating withdrawal symptoms . I wanted to withdraw from tramadol at the rate of 25 mg a week. And my pain specialist who has treated hundreds of addicted patients told me I was crazy to try it at that rate and advised me to taper at 12.5 mg PER MONTH ,not 25 per week. I was hoping to use kratom to ease the symptoms of withdrawal. But it isn’t helping tho early in my attempts. As someone mentioned though the kratom won’t work as long as I am on opiates.
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I will try that kemppaul
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Tramadol and kratom togethe 1 month 2 weeks ago #44170

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Jerry,

Please consider keeping quiet about kratom when visiting your pain specialist next time. They are EXTREMELY AGAINST the use of this herb and they will threaten you with kicking you out of their care if you DON’T stop kratom immediately. Some are paranoid enough to TEST for Mitragyna after an inquiry.

I’m sorry to be advising against full disclosure - not a fan of secrets or withholding information.

There are posts here about these pain specialists threatening their patients if you so much as inquire about the use of kratom.

Pain specialists have misinformation provided by the FDA combined with prejudice against products they do not control, administer and make buck$ on.

Use the SEARCH button on this website and try pain clinic as a keyword, for example. Other keywords might be more helpful for you to read about recent experiences reflecting on that.

Use extreme caution if you decide to disclose the “miracle that is helping you” because that is especially alarming to them (your finding kratom helpful).

It’s really sad. Maybe ASK what they think about your trying it to get a small taste of their disapproval without putting your care oversight in jeopardy.
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