Welcome, Guest
Username: Password: Remember me
22 Jun 2020
Good morning everyone, we'd like to welcome you to the new ILK Forum! We're in the process of finishing up all the the small details and will get everything done asap. This includes the new vendor pages, the daily and weekly special pages, the new blog sections, resource sections and more.

Please make sure to check out our approved vendors and don't be afraid to jump in there and ask questions and leave productive reviews.
~ I Love Kratom Forum Staff
General discussion regarding the very popular topic of Kratom Extracts. Again, many members new and old would appreciate your input so feel free to start a topic with your Opinions, Questions, Preferences or Experiences.
  • Page:
  • 1
  • 2

TOPIC:

I understand but don't 2 years 3 weeks ago #29058

  • bomalley
  • bomalley's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 2007
  • Karma: 45
  • Thank you received: 3778

I'm not getting to good of results and because i wanted to try something different. Honestly I don't feel much from it anyway except a fear of taking to much plain leaf with it.


If you are not noticing the effects of Kratom anymore it is probably that you have developed some tolerance.

The only way to now for sure is to increase the dose and see what happens. If you notice the effects with a higher dose than you know it is tolerance.

However, that would be only a test. Best to keep the dose the same rather than letting it creep up I think.

Everytime I think KRatom is not working for me anymore I stop taking it and then I REALLY notice what it is doing for me.
BEV

"Fewer faces and more spaces"

The following user(s) said Thank You: Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

I understand but don't 2 years 3 weeks ago #29035

  • Laurie
  • Laurie's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Have a better day!
  • Posts: 6140
  • Karma: 92
  • Thank you received: 8772
The trick is to not take your USUAL DOSE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE DAY. Not so easy.
Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

I understand but don't 2 years 3 weeks ago #29032

  • Thefrogshateme
  • Thefrogshateme's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 550
  • Karma: 15
  • Thank you received: 686

bomalley wrote: I think you need to ask yourself WHY?

If you are getting good results with regular plain leaf powder, WHY would you want to take this extract ...especially with all the uncertainties regarding dose and tolerance etc.

Laurie has indicated that she DOES use it BUT clearly she know WHY, and she only ues it under specific circumstances.

Ask yourself WHY? I mean WHY do you want to complicate your life?

I'm not getting to good of results and because i wanted to try something different. Honestly I don't feel much from it anyway except a fear of taking to much plain leaf with it.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

I understand but don't 2 years 3 weeks ago #28914

  • Laurie
  • Laurie's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Have a better day!
  • Posts: 6140
  • Karma: 92
  • Thank you received: 8772
Indeed. This forum is only in existence because kratom CAN BE complicated.

Most of the details are overthought.

Kratom CAN BE pretty simple. Once you get through the learning curve AFTER THE HONEYMOON PHASE.

You gotta want it pretty bad. Bad enough to accept placebo results and be ok with that.
Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

I understand but don't 2 years 3 weeks ago #28901

  • bomalley
  • bomalley's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 2007
  • Karma: 45
  • Thank you received: 3778
I think you need to ask yourself WHY?

If you are getting good results with regular plain leaf powder, WHY would you want to take this extract ...especially with all the uncertainties regarding dose and tolerance etc.

Laurie has indicated that she DOES use it BUT clearly she know WHY, and she only ues it under specific circumstances.

Ask yourself WHY? I mean WHY do you want to complicate your life?
BEV

"Fewer faces and more spaces"

The following user(s) said Thank You: Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Last edit: by bomalley.

I understand but don't 2 years 4 weeks ago #28874

  • Thefrogshateme
  • Thefrogshateme's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 550
  • Karma: 15
  • Thank you received: 686

Laurie wrote: It’s STILL an unpredictable, subtle plant.

The only thing wrong with extracts is it increases tolerance. I’ve found a way to utilize it when needed, then return to regular powder.

You can measure everything as precisely as you wish. It’s still a plant.

Use extracts with care. Being in recovery, I tend to use them minimally for EMERGENCIES like walking to the car.

With 2 preemies, you’ll have emergencies for the next 50 YEARS. God Willing.

Dang, I'm sorry to hear that. Just everyday things is enough to take extract. That sucks.


Here's a pretty solid answer to this I got from someone. I'm just not quite sure what color it is. I think it's brownish with crystal flakes.

BTW that extract is prolly ~40% alkaloids, so around 5-20% mitragynine. Probably on the lower end. The old 40% used to be ~8% mitragynine. My guess is it is probably around 4X as potent as PL unless it has been purified in some way (like white or gold colored). 10X at best but I doubt it. I would just cut out a gram of leaf and add a half gram of the extract. Not if it is white or yellow/gold though. That is much more potent, like truly 30-50X.

A gram of extract added to 50 gr of leaf would not really enhance it noticeably. Try adding it to 9-19 grams of leaf. Be sure it is mixed real well. That would add .4-.8% mitragynine to your total and turn your 1.6 leaf into 2-2.5% leaf.

Or you could prolly just use 10% mitragynine to make the math easy. I wanted to make some enhanced leaf but I think the extract I have is way too resinous. I think it would turn into a blob in my coffee grinder but maybe it would not get hot enough. I think I will try whizzing up just some of that extract. I have a gram of near pure mitragynine as well. I was thinking 10 gr brown extract, 1 gr white, and 39 gr PL and maybe powdered cats claw if I could find it. Then just use a gram of it. I need the perfect leaf though.

The following user(s) said Thank You: Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Last edit: by Thefrogshateme.

I understand but don't 2 years 4 weeks ago #28858

  • Laurie
  • Laurie's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Have a better day!
  • Posts: 6140
  • Karma: 92
  • Thank you received: 8772
It’s STILL an unpredictable, subtle plant.

The only thing wrong with extracts is it increases tolerance. I’ve found a way to utilize it when needed, then return to regular powder.

You can measure everything as precisely as you wish. It’s still a plant.

Use extracts with care. Being in recovery, I tend to use them minimally for EMERGENCIES like walking to the car.

With 2 preemies, you’ll have emergencies for the next 50 YEARS. God Willing.
Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

I understand but don't 2 years 4 weeks ago #28855

  • Thefrogshateme
  • Thefrogshateme's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 550
  • Karma: 15
  • Thank you received: 686
Yeah, but how much to add to how much. Guessing with extract doesn't seem good
The following user(s) said Thank You: Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

I understand but don't 2 years 4 weeks ago #28854

  • Thefrogshateme
  • Thefrogshateme's Avatar Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 550
  • Karma: 15
  • Thank you received: 686

bomalley wrote: So it must be a dried extract or something.

When you are referring to <strong>.4gms of extract</strong> that is the weight of the powder you are measuring?

Yup.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

I understand but don't 2 years 4 weeks ago #28848

  • bomalley
  • bomalley's Avatar
  • Offline
  • Platinum Boarder
  • Posts: 2007
  • Karma: 45
  • Thank you received: 3778
So it must be a dried extract or something.

When you are referring to .4gms of extract that is the weight of the powder you are measuring?
BEV

"Fewer faces and more spaces"

The following user(s) said Thank You: Laurie

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • Page:
  • 1
  • 2
Moderators: kemppaulhSomethingsacredgoinonhere
Time to create page: 0.225 seconds