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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39913

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we all know how corrupt and broken the system is. as far as MSM, we don't call em talking heads and spin doctors for nothing.. I like my 'local' station.. democracy now its streaming if anyones heard of it.. very 'truth' informative.

I might not be a veteran k user but I know most of the negative hype is baloney. I don't take it every day. and no negative effects. even my husband who doses a bit higher and started us on our k journey, used it to get off subs.. doesn't take it every day either.

I truly believe that if everyone was able to take to close to the same dose of a particular strain and get similar reactions they would have jumped on monopolizing that $ making bandwagon like the greedy moneygrubber mothersuckers they are.
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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39904

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Thank you Laurie and Nan 70 for the information and links. You will both be given credit on tonight's show.
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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39884

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Did I mention you have my vote Robie?? Good form on laying it out there exactly how it is, pure no-sense in doing a devastating wrong like black sheeping Kratom, all self interested to take in more money and power than they’ve already stolen.. or have been allowed or given by an misinformed public !!!! The audacity, the irony!of those so called FOR THE PEOPLE organizations,

Pure hogwash !!!

Thx Robie, you have my vote and gratitude, keep educating your friends and neighbors, it’s a proper edumication!!! =D> (L)

Please continue to clarify for the rest just how beyond silly and violating these people are by their shady as all hell tactics !!!

Peace and Kratom , they go good together, one of the same !!!

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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39883

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I commented in the more-deaths-being-attributed-to-kratom-use-garbage thread about this.

www.ilovekratom.com/forum/news-and-announcements/7...tart=60#.XQAqpVxKi70

Maybe I should have done it here instead. :-?

Robie,
It's good to see that your still full of pi$$ and vinegar. You must be on the mend! :-bd :lol:

Don
My Grandkids say I’m a cuckoo head. ;)
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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39881

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By the way as an appendage to my previous post. If it wasn't for Kratom I'd be looking for the first exit off of this freeway of life! That's how much pain and misery I was in.

Be blessed.

Robie
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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39880

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Good afternoon everyone! (waving wildly)! This sort of crap really disgusts me. I really believe in a "Libertarian" approach to the use of altering substances. It's a lot cheaper for everyone involved to treat the cause. You know damn well that someone is on the "take" when there are intentional misrepresented facts. Why this government would bemoan the horrors of the opioid abuse epidemic and at the same time condemn Kratom is nothing short of arrogant deception! I don't believe a word any agency says, an agency with governmental oversight, about the so called Kratom deaths. What these health officials aren't telling people in an aside to the reporting of the so called deaths from Kratom is how many homicides, deaths by liver and heart failure etc... from alcohol. How many deaths on that given day, 2 full jumbo jets worth, from tobacco!!! How many deaths from the very food that people are killing themselves with from palm kernel oil. It's also my understanding from my own studies that it's impossible to overdose on Kratom. You would puke if you took the amount of Kratom required for an overdose. And even then you couldn't overdose. It's like cannabis. You're going to reach a certain high whether it's a joint or a frigging pound!!! This is a leaf that the AMA and Big Pharma want to manipulate and sell to opioid dependent souls at an exorbitant price. The government is pi$$ed off because we the people had the audacity NOT to ask PERMISSION first! It's the big LIE that really chap$ my a$$. And the main stream media is in on it. The deregulation of the airwaves has harmed this country in uncountable ways. There is hardly any investigative journalism anymore because less than 5 companies OWN all news outlets. It's the largest Ponzi scheme that has ever been perpetrated against the American people in the history of this country! I've been educating my neighbors. Most knew nothing about Kratom other than the crap that is being force fed to them on the evening news. SHAME on the alphabet agencies and their minions in the press! Free speech my a$$.

Phew! Alright. I'm done ranting.

Be blessed!

Robie
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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39879

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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39877

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Thank you Dano , no such thing as a bad ramble about the advocating intention of this “HELPFUL &HEALING “ leaf!!

Thx for your endeavor to get to the bottom of this issue about the misinformed news and the oeole that believes their nonsense

So nice to have you here (L)

Brandon

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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39876

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According to Dr. Jack Henningfield, PhD, drug toxicity researcher, there never has been an established LD-50 for kratom (lethal dose for 50% of those who take that much). So, my guess is that this woman died of some pre-existing condition -- and, since she had Mitragynine her system -- the coroner chose to blame kratom.

I recall from a recent AKA Webinar Mac Haddow, I believe, pointed out that these "kratom caused deaths" have shown a wide range of blood levels, which doesn't fit with the "kratom as cause of death" model. We are expected to forget that people die for organ failure, electrolyte imbalances, and "natural causes" all the time -- all w/o kratom ever having been in their system! This is a witch hunt to scare sensible people who want relief away from trying kratom, imho, since the FDA doesn't have the science to prove it is actually dangerous.
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Truth, Lies or Incompetence? 1 year 3 weeks ago #39875

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Sounds like a very worthwhile and overdue endeavor.

I have only heard rumors and falsehoods including one “kratom death” that also included a gunshot wound! I threw up my hands at that point, figuring the people with this agenda have NO interest in facts, whatsoever.

I haven’t much to add for your podcast except I hope you use the opportunity to clarify who is naming the “cause of death”. Coroners are not required to have any medical training, whereas medical examiners ‘probably’ are, but that also isn’t clear.
It would be helpful to know if a medically trained person is making such a determination.

Thanks so much and if you think of anything I can do to help your investigation, just let me know.

I’ve only been experimenting with the leaf since 2014/2015 and have not yet ever vomited from overuse. But I have gotten ‘the wobbles” unintentionally and I’ve had a few unplanned ‘naps’ as a result of overindulgence. I consider these unpleasantries and not threats to my life.

Thanks for looking into this!
Laurie
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