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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 9 months 1 week ago #47301

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hey I just said hi on the other thread..

I don't have any experience much with traditional pain meds. intolerant to them.

my husband got off subs successfully thanks to kratom. that's how we found out about it. he did have a good tolerance and he is a bigger dude so his doses were bigger and more in the beginning.

and that was even after tapering off subs and trying to quit. but kratom was the only thing that made it work. we both use it for pain management. taken almost daily for a year now. we both take breaks and are fine.

im on a full break right now taking just stem and vein and other herbals. akuamma helps me a great deal during the day. corydalis and skullcap help me sleep and help with pain at night. in sense/ gold leaf has all and they are a great bang/ buck for all. and ive tried many vendors.

not drinking and taking kratom will help you shed the weight. ive lost my quitting smoking weight and have a little to go, but ingesting lots of fiber fills! and I personally choose kratom over alcohol, for me personally no Bueno together.

I hope this helps and you are doing great. if you aren't getting any pain relief I recommend the other herbals and/ or bumping up your dose just a bit. like a half gram. also, Monday is a holiday so make sure you have plenty of kratom that's needed on hand. running out sucks.

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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 9 months 1 week ago #47297

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Hello and thanks for your insight, Somethingsacred! Your norco withdrawal must have been a monster!!!

I have decided to continue the kratom another 2 weeks then taper off to see what happens. So far it hasn't helped with pain management or mood stabilization - only sleep. But to me that is enough. I am trying to lose 50 pounds and I quit alcohol at the same time I quit the norco.

I hope other members share their thoughts and experience with me as well.

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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 9 months 1 week ago #47296

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Hi Zuariel, Nice to meet you!

My understanding is that they both affect the same receptors .... pain pills/ narcotics hitting them way harder ... where kratom just kind of rests on them versus anchoring down .... I haven’t swapped out pain killers for kratom .. though I took norocs 10mg 4-5x a day for over two years ... I stopped cold turkey without the knowledge of kratom...

I think your still going through Norco wd, and that kratom has been helping with the symptoms... when stopping abruptly taking kratom , you feel those symptoms ... also you feel the pain that the meds were covering up..! I’d take kratom a bit longer .. and taper off of that if that’s the goal ..
Me personally ... I have no intention of stopping ... I have chronic pain and the depression and anxiety that came with it ... kratom Helps me better than any pain meds/depression meds/anxiety meds ever did… But that’s me and my choice in the matter… If you want to get off a regimen of taking Kratom… I would continue to take it for a little bit longer until you know the opiates are out of your system and then start a taper with kratom...You can even substitute Kratom with some stem in vein to help with the process… Keep in mind this is just my experience and my understanding of it and others I hope will chime in to add more to this… But congratulations on stopping pain meds, I know how hard that can be… Kratom can definitely help you as you found out, and tapering off of that is much easier than the meds in my opinion and understanding!

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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 9 months 1 week ago #47295

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I figure I'll share my story. I was taking norcos for close to a year. Between 10-30mg per day with 15 on average. I know that's not ridiculous but I was still ready to quit again. Yep, again. I tapered starting at 15mg per day for a week, then reduced to 12.5, then 10...essentially 25% each week. New Years Eve was the final dose. I began kratom on January 1. Red Borneo until that was gone then tried Red Maeng Da. I had no withdrawal symptoms at all!!! I've tapered before before I knew about kratom and my only symptoms were insomnia and violent restless legs. But with kratom, I've slept better than I have in 10 years. A few days ago I figured the opioid withdrawal period would be over and I didn't take kratom that day. Well, as you may suspect, that was an error. I had bad restless legs for a few hours before I decided to dose a little kratom.

So here's my question - is the kratom just replacing the opioids in the brain receptors and when I stop kratom the withdrawal will return? Or must I now taper off kratom?
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 1 year 7 months ago #36011

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Yes, Alcohol and Benzos are the 2 drugs that can kill you while going through withdrawals.
Benzos are a horrible detox..,worse then opiates. Longer half life that you will be suffering for.
And unlike with opiates.,subs and methadone dont work for benzos.
Only thing to really try to do is slowly wean off. if using Xanax they will put you on Valium instead and taper down.
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 1 year 7 months ago #36003

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THANK YOU SO MUCH for the comment.

I was wrong.

My point still stands. The FEAR of withdrawal is overinflated in our minds.

But VERY IMPORTANT you bring up because that class of drugs is not given the weight of importance it deserves with regard to education. Your post should be a roadside banner. It’s VERY SERIOUS and in years less than a decade ago, benzodiazepines were often provided with zero information about the addiction potential and withdrawal is probably the most difficult of any - definitely in the top 3!
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 1 year 7 months ago #36000

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Laurie Said "Dehydration and choking on vomit is how people die. Not the actual withdrawal. Only alcohol is lethal if stopped suddenly."

With all respect, I have to make a correction. You said only Alcohol can cause death from withdrawals but

Benzos is more dangerous. One goes into convulsions and can die..
w-bad.org/deaths-from-cold-turkey/

americanaddictioncenters.org/withdrawal-timelines-...tments/risk-of-death
Benzodiazepine Withdrawal
Withdrawal from benzodiazepine drugs (benzos) can result in seizures, depending on how long and how heavily the drugs have been used. The risk of grand mal seizures from benzo withdrawal is higher than with alcohol withdrawal and can result in death.

Benzo withdrawal also has significant psychological symptoms that can be life-threatening. As evidenced by just one example in the British Journal of General Practice, these psychological symptoms can lead to thoughts of and attempts at suicide.
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 1 year 9 months ago #34127

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DeAnna wrote: I placed my order today. I'm wondering if I could be going about this wrong. I skipped my Suboxone today and don't intend on taking it again. Is it possible to go cold turkey from 8mg Suboxone? For a week or so I've only been taking it every other day. I really do not like this medication and I am desperate to get off of it. I've only been on it for two months, but prior to that I was on high doses of morphine. I know most are tapering their doses first, but has anyone gone cold turkey from subs to Kratom?


Hey I don't know where you are at in your journey 5 weeks later BUT I have my experience to add here.I went CT from Subutex, which is suboxone without the Naloxone. I was taking 16-24mg a day for 2 years! I stopped CT 7 days ago and picked up taking Kratom the very next morning and I've experienced almost NO withdrawal symptoms of ANY kind.

I generally take 3g White or Green in the morning
4g at lunch of white or green or a mix
5-6g around 4-5pm of Red Bali or Red Maeng Da

No dizziness, No RLS, No diarrhea, Very limited running sinuses.

Yes you should Taper but you do not HAVE TO. That is up to you and Kratom can and will help tremendously with the withdrawals that you would otherwise experiences when kicking suboxone. Suboxone DEF have withdrawls when coming off anything over 2mg a day from EVERYTHING i've read and my very personal experience.
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 1 year 9 months ago #33610

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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 1 year 10 months ago #33425

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DeAnna wrote: I placed my order today. I'm wondering if I could be going about this wrong. I skipped my Suboxone today and don't intend on taking it again. Is it possible to go cold turkey from 8mg Suboxone? For a week or so I've only been taking it every other day. I really do not like this medication and I am desperate to get off of it. I've only been on it for two months, but prior to that I was on high doses of morphine. I know most are tapering their doses first, but has anyone gone cold turkey from subs to Kratom?


Whatever you want to do...you are in charge!

What are you afraid of? ...Withdrawal?

Withdrawal simply indicates that opiate receptors are empty and you can always fill them with a dose of Kratom.
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