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TOPIC: Stopping opiate abuse Guide

Stopping opiate abuse Guide 3 years 1 month ago #17148

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Great job levonne90. Way to stick it out and be strong. I definitely believe that a strong support system and cutting off contacts is helpful maybe even necessary when quitting. Especially if ur not getting em from the doc. Great post.
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I am curious to know how you adjusted your kratom doesage and did you taper of pain meds or detox immediately. What combination worked for this use?
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Hey guys :-h I thought i would give you guys an update on my progress for those who are curious. :-bd

I am not sure exactly how long now it has been that i am using kratom and have abstained from my addiction to pain pills. I believe i am close to a month and a half or so. If not more lol i should be keeping track i guess haha. But anyways, after stopping the pain pills and switching to kratom i was able to detox pretty comfortably due to the kratom, yet even using kratom i still had some neg effects which is to be expected after stopping an addiction like mine. But it was much easier than all the times i have tried without kratom. But i still noticed alot of PAWS. Mainly like insomnia, mood swings, lack of energy and motivation at times, and loss of appetite, and some minor and some major depression. I would suggest Kratom for the depressed days to help with not using over the depression. Kratom is a great anti depressant for me. These symptoms were all there just not that bad because of the kratom, at about a month and a half i was finally sleeping well and through the whole night, feeling natural energy again even when not using kratom and my moods evened out and have been feeling very normal again, more than i have in soo long ... I know the battle is not over at this stage, but i believe the worst is behind me now. :-P

So i think it is safe to say i could probably quit using kratom and still be past the worst of the neg withdrawal effects from my prior addiction. I have went a few days here and there without kratom to see how i feel and i still feel ten times better than i have in a long time. I am not having any withdrawal symptoms from not using kratom but the longest i have not taken kratom is 3 days. (so i might if i were to stop longer but i haven't tried to yet) I can tell when i dont take it but i dont feel like i have to take it to function or anything anymore. I fear that if i do not keep taking these breaks i might experience the withdrawals you read about but really i dont think it will ever be a problem if i keep taking breaks. I really dont know for sure though because i have not experienced any withdrawals from kratom, but i cannot suggest to someone that taking anything daily for months can be a good idea lol. So i would still suggest the breaks like i do, i take 3 to 5 days off every two weeks now.

So i beleive for those who want to quit opiates but dont want to take kratom longer than they have to, after you are not noticing the paws as severe it is probably safe to quit taking kratom if you wanted. If you notice any withdrawal effects from kratom i would just taper down and off. But note, Paws can last a longer time than just a month or two, i just mean they are not severe for me at this time.You may still suffer from them for awhile, everyone is different.

I still get cravings to get high once in a while because kratom doesn't give me that so i still crave it once in a while, but then i remember how far i have come and decide against it. Kratom is not going to fix that part for you, that is just a decision you will have to make for yourself. I have been tempted several times when it was offered but have been enjoying my new life so i have declined any of these offers. I even had to cut ties with all my contacts so i would have less temptation to use again. Kratom wont do all this part for you that is up to you how bad you want to stay clean and what works for you to stay clean. But kratom can really help you to do this if thats what you want. :-bd

I still have not developed much of a kratom tolerance either :) , All i have noticed as far as a kratom tolerance is that i feel about the same amount of effects every time i take it, which is still 2-4 times a day most days. I can still feel effects when i take a 3g. dose, but my threshold is about 5g. a dose still and i still enjoy the effects every time, and duration is about the same as when i started. I have even quit using potentiators so that my kratom doses are more consitent and have noticed the difference. I find it works efficiently every time this way. I have also quit taking anti tolerance methods, due to it costing extra money to buy turmeric and stuff. Some of them do reduce kratom tolerance but i find i do not need to do this to keep getting effects from kratom. :-bd

Sorry this is so long lol. ;) So for those who are curious how my guide works after a month or so this is what i am personally experiencing. I cant make any promises how this guide will work for everyone but this is how it is going for me so far. :-bd

P.S. A strong support system is always a good idea while quiting an addiction, support always helps me to stay strong when i need it. :)
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Please do keep us updated.
in the meantime while you're deciding (whether to go to a rehab), you can still start a taper/cut back a little bit every week, and barely feel the change. That way, regardless of your decision to do it at home or go away, when you do decide, you will have a jump start, you know.
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Thanks for the advice and encouragement, I will do it within the next 3 months, mark my word. My dad offered to cover my insurance deductible, if I went to a 28 day rehab. I was hesitant, because I feel like that's a lot of money for nothing. I would rather go do 30 days in jail, then spend that kind of money.

Thanks again for the hope! I appreciate it guys and I will keep you updated as to my recovery.
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Hello Zbest :-h

I agree with Laurie that kicking suboxone is its own task i remember it being much harder than other opiates to quit and i did not take it nearly as long as you have. I tried to stop opiates with it once and it was horrible. But i also abused it. If i remember right all i did was switch back to opiates. So i dont got got much info on that particular substance either. I hope you find info from someone who has done that personally. And i wish you the best of luck in getting away from them. :) You can do it :-bd
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Hello Zbest (name?)

Firstly this is not medical advice, just personal experience. If you feel rehab is for you, that's your choice. But I can tell you I did it from home, with minimal discomfort. It took about 3 months. (NOT sick-in-bed, I was able to eat, move, work, etc, just a slow taper over a couple months. Some people have done it faster.)
I was on suboxone for around the same time length as you, interspersed with other opiates. As of now, I have not had any suboxone or any opiates for a year and a half. The only thing I take is kratom and occasionally a few drinks. (Cold turkey did not work for me, as I had tried many times.)
What I did is taper slowly over several months, dropping a tiny bit every week or so, and then dropped down eventually to less than .25 once every other day, then less, to about 1/8 every other day. You can keep going lower, skipping every two days. I know it's hard to discipline, but it's more of a mental thing. Suboxone is very strong, and even if you think you start feeling sick, your brain just might be 'bugging out' a bit, but your system still has it in it. Suboxone stays in your system for a few days.
My method was: firstly, make your taper schedule. Then take what suboxone you have and divide it up (cut/break, etc.), and put it in one of those vitamin holders. If you have someone/a close friend or partner who knows what you're doing, it can help to have then give you the daily dose and then keep it with them so you're not tempted. I went from 2 mg daily for a couple weeks, to 1 mg for a couple weeks, then .75 mg every other day, then .5 every other day, then .25, then every other day, etc. You might be feeling slight discomfort/withdrawal during this time, but it shouldn't be too bad if you really follow the slow taper.
When I finally took my last dose, I waited another day, then when I started feeling sick, I took lots of Imodium (the little pills) which helped my stomach AND with the withdrawals, and started taking my kratom capsules, which I made myself prior. I took a lot of red strain, Bali too, I recall, but I'm sure other types can help too. I started with 8-10 grams. I smoked a little herbal 'assistance' to help too.
Melatonin helped very much with sleep. You must eat a lot. Excersize, even walks, if you can.
There are a LOT of in-depth How-To guides about this online, but I don't think I'm allowed to post links. PM me and I'll send you some of the ones that gave good info. Please don't be overwhelmed, quitting the suboxone is DEFINITELY possible by yourself. If you are not taking the suboxone as a substitute for opiates (meaning you will go back to opiates), but just want to completely stop the suboxone and not need any opiates, this is why you're on this site. Kratom can totally help be the key to quitting, and it doesn't have to be a horrible painful ordeal. It just requires some planning and self-discipline.
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