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TOPIC: Trying to figure out the necessary dose for nerve pain relief

Trying to figure out the necessary dose for nerve pain relief 2 months 1 week ago #26063

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Hi guys,

I started taking kratom about a week and a half ago for neuropathy in my right arm. It's like a constant burn and occasional numbness from what I'm guessing is damage to my brachial plexus which probably didn't heal properly after past few years.

Anyways I purchased strains like: red thai, red hulu, green asia, white hulu, green borneo, green hulu and red katapang.

When I first started using kratom I thought I definitely noticed some slight euphoria and energy, and some relief from common aches and pains.

What I still haven't found relief of is the nerve pain in my right arm. The only thing that's ever hit this pain is Lyrica and tramadol. I'm still on Lyrica but I stopped all painkillers.

I think the maximum dose I've taken is probably about 5 g? I'm honestly not sure if this will suffice for a guy of my size. I'm about 6'3 205 pounds, and I needed at least three doses of tramadol per day to get any relief.

I know that when I take too much kratom I do get nauseous or feel like him drunk. I haven't hit that level yet in a while though, and I'm wondering if anybody who takes this stuff for nerve pain can tell me what dose they found relief and what strain they found most helpful. How much higher do I have to go?

By the way I order my strains from canopy botanicals

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Trying to figure out the necessary dose for nerve pain relief 2 months 1 week ago #26096

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Finding the right dose for pain can be tricky enough - but then throw in the fact that you've got nerve pain - ugh.

I don't have the right answer for you, I'm sorry to say. There are others on here that have more experience than I do with pain.

How often do you dose and how much? What's your schedule with kratom? I realize you just started so maybe you don't have much of a schedule yet.

I can tell you that I am heavier than you (roughly same height) and I don't generally take more than 5 grams at a time either. Though it can vary a bit. My guess would be you could take a little more if you're not feeling it....but like you said....you don't want to over-do it, either.

Hopefully some more expert-y folks here can give you some better advice.
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Trying to figure out the necessary dose for nerve pain relief 2 months 1 week ago #26097

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I take Kratom for spinal arthritis, I can experience a bit of nerve pain if I do not deal with inflammation or slack with my daily physical therapy. I find Kratom helps with inflammation.
I am not sure higher dosing is the answer, you start low then see what helps. I take 2.3 grams for my chronic pain. Dosing is not necessary based on your height and weight but more likely your tolerance to medicine in general. It you have been taking pain killers usually the dosing of Kratom would be higher.
It might be the strain also, although Reds are the most pain relieving I see you have not tried the two main pain strains which are Red Bali and Red Borneo. I had luck with Green Borneo as a day time pain strain.
Hopefully someone can add their expedience with treating neuropathy pain.
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I also read the taking the supplement agmatine sulfate along with Kratom helps relieve nerve pain. Something to look into for more information if no one has any experience to pass along.
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Agmatine sulfate does make kratom more potent (potentiator), and agmatine has a bit of pain relief built into it somehow. But. It must be ingested on an EMPTY STOMACH ONLY and it WILL make you hungry!

I wasted a lot of kratom and a lot of TP after trying agmatine. Still working on getting the last few pounds off.

For those UNDER WEIGHT, it’s a great supplement and increases appetite substantially!

Finally, agmatine turns into protein if ANY food is mixed with it in your tummy.

I got it for the potentiator benefits and the weight gain was my prize. Not cool
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Laurie wrote: Agmatine sulfate does make kratom more potent (potentiator), and agmatine has a bit of pain relief built into it somehow. But. It must be ingested on an EMPTY STOMACH ONLY and it WILL make you hungry!

I wasted a lot of kratom and a lot of TP after trying agmatine. Still working on getting the last few pounds off.

For those UNDER WEIGHT, it’s a great supplement and increases appetite substantially!

Finally, agmatine turns into protein if ANY food is mixed with it in your tummy.

I got it for the potentiator benefits and the weight gain was my prize. Not cool


hmmmm...I wonder if that helps to explain the recent weight gain? Actually more like too many muffins, Christmas chocolates, and deserts! I am working on that too Laurie!

Potentiators (I hate that name) do nothing for me...their action is to increase the amount of alkaloids that reach the blood stream, so taking a larger dose might do the same thing.

Really wanting to hear from others with nerve pain...I am hopeful that Kratom can help SS88, BUT it acts more like tramadol (opiate receptors) NOT Lyrica ( antiepileptic - reduces synaptic release of several neurotransmitters) so the fact that you have been able to stop the Tramadol makes sense.

My guess is that Kratom can help you take less Lyrica for better pain control - but that is just an educated guess.
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Thank you all for all the generous replies!

I figure I'll try to answer everyone's questions in this one post.

I usually wake up and dose about 4 to 5 g in the morning mixed with milk, and then I will repeat again in the evening, so looking at about two doses in 12 hours.

My newest order just came in which included the new strains of Red meang da, white maeng da, and samples of red bali and red asia.

I spent some time looking up the strongest strains for pain, Bali and Maeng da were up there. So I just tried about 3 to 4 g of red Bali and going to see how it feels.

I should mention that I have also been taking agmatine sulfate along with it, though my doses haven't been consistent with this. I try to take about 1 g three times a day.

I'm excited to keep experimenting with this until I figure out. The only real side effects I'm not very fond of are the suppression of appetite and the kill in my libido. I'm a 29-year-old male! But I'd give that up for relief!
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SS88:

For best results with pain relief I happen to think that more frequent dosing is better. This is called titrating the dose. You want to keep an even level of the alkaloids in your bloodstream throughout the day. Usually a dose will wear off in about 4-6 hours so dosing 2 time per day is probably not enough. You also want to take the smallest dose possible to get the results you desire, so if you can take a smaller dose more frequently you might get better results.

I take 4.5 Gms 4 times a day. Recently I have been able to reduce that to 3 times per day because of some great reduction in pain as a result of homeopathic treatment.

I'm excited to keep experimenting with this until I figure out. The only real side effects I'm not very fond of are the suppression of appetite and the kill in my libido. I'm a 29-year-old male! But I'd give that up for relief!


Probably NOT the Kratom affecting your libido. Dollars to donuts this is from long term opiate use which is known to reduce testosterone levels.



" Accompanying this upsurge in the use of long-term opioid
therapy has been an increase in the occurrence of opioid associated endocrinopathy,
most commonly manifested as an androgen deficiency and therefore referred to as
opioid associated androgen deficiency (OPIAD). This syndrome is characterized by the
presence of inappropriately low levels of gonadotropins (follicle stimulating hormone
and luteinizing hormone) leading to inadequate production of sex hormones, particularly
testosterone. Symptoms that may manifest in patients with OPIAD include reduced
libido, erectile dysfunction, fatigue, hot flashes, and depression. Physical findings may
include reduced facial and body hair, anemia, decreased muscle mass, weight gain, and
osteopenia or osteoporosis"

www.painphysicianjournal.com/current/pdf...xMg%3D%3D&journal=68




I am female and the opiates even reduced my testosterone levels!

Did you know that low testosterone levels increase pain?

Keep experimenting and try lower doses more frequently. It really is a BIG EXPERIMENT! But a very safe one if you do it responsibly.

PS If you want more info about nerve pain and homeopathy let me know.
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Trying to figure out the necessary dose for nerve pain relief 2 months 4 days ago #26267

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It wasn't the tramadol, I wasn't on it for more than a week. It's definitely the Kratom. I experimented by not taking any and noticed I got my libido back. It's fine though because I've been counteracting the loss of libido with a testosterone supplement.

I know there's no exact dose but I was reading online that for chronic pain you need a moderate to high dose.

ensobotanicals.com/kratom/#Pain_Relief

This website suggests

Average Dosage by Grams

Mild – 1 to 2 grams
Moderate – 2-4.5 grams
High – 4.5 – 8 grams

Average Dosage by Teaspoon

Mild – .5 to .9 tsp
Moderate – 1 to 2 tsp
High – 2 to 3.5 tsp

Based on this, I've been sitting in the moderate levels. I took a sample of red bali and I thought it was working, at least somewhat in terms of the perception of my pain. I ran out of that and right now I'm on a regimen of mixing red maeng da and white maeng da.

I think I might need to up my level again, especially based off what that website is suggesting.

Not sure how much credence you guys give it though
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Yes, but the white is also not a go-to for pain. Increase ratio to include more red? You do have wiggle room of course, but every day metabolism is different from the day before, too. I’m still at mild-moderate and had 2 spontaneous naps this week (too much at one time).
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