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Don't want to have to quit Kratom. Any advice? 2 months 1 week ago #31541

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Hey everyone,

I'm new to this forum, but not new to Kratom.

A little background info on me: I tried Kratom for the first time over about 4 years ago, and I must admit, I am totally, completely and hopelessly in love with this plant. I have used a number of other substances in my life, but this is my favorite one, and one of the few which WHEN I AM ABLE TO AVOID DEPENDENCE, I have found can actually improve my life.

I have been dependent physically many times before, but never for long as I have always been dead set on avoiding as much as possible.

These days I have been using it 3 days a week, but the most I've ever used it regularly was 4 days a week, and the most days I've ever taken it in a row is 9, so, basically, if you know Kratom and you know I can actually count how many days I've taken it in a row, then you know I've moderated better than many can.

The bad part is that it's not good enough, because while I stick to 3 days a week, I've allowed my tolerance to go up many times (I'm now at 12 grams a dose and was once at 2 grams a dose), and that now I am getting withdrawal again that is bad enough that at the very least I have to stop for a while, and at the most, part of me thinks that I should probably stop forever, but I REALLY DON'T WANT TO!!

The pattern is always that I will avoid dependence for a while by not taking it more than 3 days a week (and never more than 2 in a row, preferably never in a row), and keeping tolerance low, but my tolerance eventually goes up and it gets bad, and when I get withdrawal me personally, what happens is I have ZERO energy and I sleep 12 hours a day and wake and drink a pot of coffee and STILL don't feel rested. I'm only able to ever do this because 1) I work at night 2) whenever it gets bad enough I stop for as long as necessary.

At one point over a year ago I said I needed to stop FOREVER because it got so bad, and I stopped for over 10 months but then wanted to try it again, and my tolerance went back to 2 grams and I staved off physical dependence for about 3 months before it started creeping up on me.

I am NOT willing to be physically dependent on Kratom, and I take my energy levels seriously as I'm a martial artist and want to feel good without taking anything (I'm even trying to quit coffee).


So, I know this was a long post but here are my questions:

Do you guys think it is possible to use Kratom in such a way, at low enough doses and infrequently enough to stave off physical dependence, and if so, how would you recommend doing this, and also, what potentiators do you guys find to work, and are there any you know of that lower tolerance and help avoid physical dependence?

I mean, I know it CAN be done to use Kratom moderately enough and not be dependent, but I always end up dependent again, and I can't let that happen.

I'm wondering if you guys think that in terms of avoiding depdenence that amount of grams taken per day is as important as how many days a week I use, how many doses a day, and how much I space out my doses??


Like everyone else, I want to have my cake and eat it too, keep using Kratom but also never have dependence, and that's a hard thing to manage.

Unless anyone has any way to "crack the Kratom code", my line of thinking is that I DEFINITELY need to stop for a month, and more likely, I should probably stop for a year, and try to think of myself as someone who just doesn't use Kratom anymore.

I don't want to quit, but I'll stop however long I need to to avoid dependence and stop feeling like I'm dead asleep on the days I don't use.

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Don't want to have to quit Kratom. Any advice? 2 months 6 days ago #31697

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Does it improve your quality of life? If so then do a cost benefit analysis. Also, I’ve thought of a design for a machine that can hold several strains and dumps out premeasured dosages based on a monthly calendar. You can program it to go up and down in dosage on a set schedule and never have to measure each dose daily again.

Get some vacuum seal jars, cut the bottoms off, plastic weld some tubing on for extra storage. Then design the bottom with a rotating disc. On the disc are holes where you place measuring spoons. Use a lever and gears to rotate, etc.
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Don't want to have to quit Kratom. Any advice? 2 months 6 days ago #31712

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windyanimal wrote: Does it improve your quality of life? If so then do a cost benefit analysis. Also, I’ve thought of a design for a machine that can hold several strains and dumps out premeasured dosages based on a monthly calendar. You can program it to go up and down in dosage on a set schedule and never have to measure each dose daily again.

Get some vacuum seal jars, cut the bottoms off, plastic weld some tubing on for extra storage. Then design the bottom with a rotating disc. On the disc are holes where you place measuring spoons. Use a lever and gears to rotate, etc.


Yeah man, I'm the least tech savvy person ever and I don't think I'd go through the effort to do that no offense.

I can always still reach in and take out however much I want.

What is somewhat useful to an extent is my K-Safe which, though EASILY breakable, is a time lock tupperware container which can be set for 1 minute to 10 days.

I wish it couldn't be broken, but I've not broken it so far, just not locked up my Kratom for as long as I should, and it would sort of seperate the mildly dependent/addicted to the TRULY dependent/addicted in the sense of seeing whether or not the person is REALLY going to go to the extent of breaking the thing to get out the Kratom rather than wait a minimum of 10 days till it opens by itself.

Problem is, I let my tolerance get too high before i discovered the thing, but perhaps it could be more useful in the future if my tolerance goes down if I say...get back to 2 grams being a good dose and lock it all up IMMEDIATELY after dosing for the duration of the experience (for me Kratom lasts about 4 hours) and that way I cannot dose more unless I break the thing, and my tolerance cannot go up and my WD cannot get this bad.

BUT....in my experience it takes about 5 months for my tolerance to drop (others say it takes them days, but not me...).

That plus potentiators if I find those doses unsatsifactory COULD help IF I wait several months and my tolerance drops, but I'd still IMO have to use no more than 2 days a week.

Yes, when ON IT it improves my quality of life, but I am simply not willing to give in to physical dependence because I know that it IS actually possible for Kratom withdrawal to last a few weeks if you get dependent enough, and so once I start to get mildly dependent it decreases my quality of life on the off days.

Hence, I'm giving most of what I have to a friend and locking up a small amount and taking a long break or maybe stopping but I most likely will use it again at somepoint, just carefully, but who knows.

I'll figure it out.
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Don't want to have to quit Kratom. Any advice? 2 months 6 days ago #31713

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I appreciate your letting us sit in while you’re thinking “out loud”.

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Don't want to have to quit Kratom. Any advice? 2 months 4 days ago #31751

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Laurie wrote: I appreciate your letting us sit in while you’re thinking “out loud”.


Oh, I'm sorry.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm and you are finding my posts annoying.

If so, yeah, that's just kind of how I type.

I have Non-Verbal Learning Disability which is on the Autism Spectrum and related to Aspergers, though not as severe, and one thing I do is type a lot and yes, think out loud, and have certain issues with reading non-verbal cues even in person, especially online.

Its' certainly that, my OCD, GAD and depression that do all factor in to why I like kratom.

I guess if you meant that as a criticism it stings a little, but yes, it's a flaw of mine, being super long winded like that and making posts as if they were blogs.

I'd say I'll work on it, but I said that years ago and haven't improved...
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Don't want to have to quit Kratom. Any advice? 2 months 4 days ago #31759

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No worries. You are welcome to non verbally blog. When we respond we are acknowledging your post no sting intended.

When I had bouts of anxiety I would source for tons of information before I settle for any one thing then I would doubt my decision and start over. Its actually an exhausting cycle. I developed skills in finding information on the web it wasn't all for naught,
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Ok thanks I probably just misread her comment.

It's hard to read people online sometimes.
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To clarify, my post was meant ONLY as genuine insterest and support.
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To clarify, my post was meant ONLY as genuine interest and support.
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Laurie wrote: To clarify, my post was meant ONLY as genuine interest and support.


Of course I would have thought so as you've seemed so nice so far and so has everyone on this forum.

I just have a lot of trouble detecting people's tone or anything sarcastic even in real life when I can hear people's voices and it's much harder online so sometimes if someone types something in a certain way I hear it said in a different way and without knowing the person well enough it's hard for me to figure out what they mean.

I can't tell you how often it's been a problem for me, but that's totally fine, and thank you.
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