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Chronic pain patient new to Kratom. Confused. 1 week 1 day ago #32463

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After 13 years of being prescribed time release morphine my pain doctor took me off of it because I developed a paralyzed left diaphragm. The pulmonary doctor said that morphine didn't cause or effect the diaphragm, but the pain doc told me he didn't want to take the chance anyway.

My doctor gave me nothing for withdrawl and I ended up in the hospital so dehydrated that my b.p. was 42/21. I need something for both the severe chronic pain and the withdrawl. After 3 days of IV's a different doc gave me medicine to help with the nausea but nothing to help with the other withdrawl symptoms.

The CDC (CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL) says that a long time morphine user can take over a year sometimes to get over it. I realized I had to help myself so I research and tried Red Vein Bali. My bodies relieve was fast.

My question is what type of red kratom do members feel helps pain the most.
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Chronic pain patient new to Kratom. Confused. 1 week 1 day ago #32465

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, MELLYG.

Self advocating for yourself is a zillion times harder while in the grips of pain. I admire your effort.

That same question is being discussed in another thread, only it’s asked for best red for pain AND REST.

My choice tonite is Red Bentuangie from In Sense Botanical (an ILK Approved Vendor). Again, that’s what I chose for REST in addition to pain. I just posted on another thread about it.

The experts on reds will be along to post on reds for you shortly.

Depression is more of an issue for me this month, so I’ve switched over to more greens.

I have not had a red strain that doesn’t help with pain. I have yet to find “THE BEST RED FOR PAIN”. It’s such a unique plant, and so is individual metabolism.

Great opener for getting to know the rest of the family.
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Chronic pain patient new to Kratom. Confused. 1 week 1 day ago #32467

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Hello Melly,
Sorry to hear what happened to you.
You will find many here who turned to Kratom to take back control of their pain management.

Quality Kratom is a must we have approved vendors here and many reviews to help chose.
Most Reds will be good for pain its good to get samples and try.
I take reds at night and started out only taking reds but after trial and error I found pain relieving greens to take during the day.

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Red Hulu, Red Sumatra= Insense botanicals
Royal Bentaungie - Herbal RVA
In general Red Boreno, Red Bentuangie are good for pain and rest.
I do take Red Bali but found "Gold" Bali to be stronger, The do start out more energetic before the sedation takes over.

Welcome to the forum and wish you well.
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Chronic pain patient new to Kratom. Confused. 1 week 1 day ago #32475

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Welcome MELLYG to the Forum. I'm sad to hear you are having to go through this. Doctors don't know everything. All strains can have Pain Relieving Properties but usually Red Strains have the most. It will depend on how you react to each strain as to which ones work best for you. I would suggest getting a sampler pack from an approved vendor & try at least half a dozen different strains to see which ones help you.

For pain & withdrawal I would suggest any Maeng Da or Thai Strains because they tend to be the Strongest of all of the Strains. Green Malay is an Excellent strain that is like a jack of all trades strain. Hope you get better soon.
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Chronic pain patient new to Kratom. Confused. 1 week 1 day ago #32483

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MELLYG

So sorry to hear of your experience. It is an example of a very low standard of practice. NOBODY should be forced to go through withdrawal...there are ways to manage it.

I am so glad you found Kratom. Isn't it wonderful what we can do for ourselves when we take control of our health back!

I have a 97 yr old mother who was dependent on codeine for decades (legal here in Canada OTC) and now manages pain with Kratom. It took her quite a while to accept that she was not feeling well because of narcotic withdrawal, but as soon as she started kratom everything started to get better! Now she thinks everyone in the assisted living facility should be on it!

Her favourite is a Red Borneo, with Red Bentanguie, Red Maeng Da, Red Bali, Red Horn, and Red Vein Thai all coming in second!

I have an Indo Maeng Da that I like for daytime because it is not too sedating. And surprisingly I have a White Horn that also is good for pain, but I usually combine it with a red for daytime use.

As you gain more confidence and experience (and more Kratom stash) you will be able to experiment with combining different strains too. We are all learning by doing and it is trial and error too.

Not everything you try will work all the time. Even my mother is getting to be able to differentiate beteen certain strains and lets me know what ones work and which ones do not!

The CDC (CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL) says that a long time morphine user can take over a year sometimes to get over it.


Sadly I hate to have to inform you but it can go on much longer than that. PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome) can persist for decades, BUT it does get better over time and now you have a way to manage that too!

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Chronic pain patient new to Kratom. Confused. 1 week 1 day ago #32486

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Hello MELLYG, and welcome to the best Kratom forum. I have been enjoying the benefits of Kratom for over five years. I was in a near fatal car accident 11 years ago and was on pain killers for years. When I discovered Kratom my life changed in ways I am so grateful for. I have purchased Kratom from many vendors and have been fortunate to have had great results with 90% of them. I recently discovered a vendor that you may want to investigate...Inland Botanicals. They may be helpful if you contact them by suggesting what strains would be suited to your issue. Good Luck!!
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Chronic pain patient new to Kratom. Confused. 1 week 1 day ago #32487

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Thank you for your response and information!I sure hope withdrawal doesn't last that long. I had 4 children with no pain medicine and withdrawal has it beat for the toughest thing I have ever done.
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Chronic pain patient new to Kratom. Confused. 1 week ago #32521

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Hi Mellyg,
Welcome! I am also new but find comfort from the encouragement and support of these people and knowing others have walked this path before me.
I totally agree that childbirth is a breeze compared to withdrawals (and we all know having a baby is rarely easy or pain free!) And sadly the longer the history of use the longer it can take your body to find its balance again. But I also don't want you to worry about how long paws can last, although it is helpful to know that residual effects will most likely stick around a spell. The worst really is those first few months and with kratom it can be bearable. I withdrew from methadone following many years of morphine and other narcotics and wish I had found kratom early on for myself. I almost died and had no assistance from our pathetic healthcare practitioner's. in their defense (I was an RN and from a traditional medical family) we are not educated appropriately for chronic issues. But that is another post for sure :)
I guess if there is one thing I wish I had understood in the beginning was that learning how our body's chemistry reacts with kratom is varied and does change. There is a steep learning curve to figuring out what works but how grateful I am to have that opportunity!! For most of the first 8 months I used mostly reds with a few greens mixed in. Maengda strain never worked for me but Bali and Sumatra's and Borneo's did. I also needed to mix and rarely take only one strain at a time. It gets kinda confusing with the info about avoiding tolerance issues and still struggle but on those really bad pain days I still return to bali, Sumatra and Borneo and indo's. A new favorite is red Agatha and even red Papua work well. I prefer the product from COB or in sense/gold leaf botanicals, although I use one other vendor who is not on our list here so I won't mention them.
Hope that isn't too much info, guess I simply wanted you to know you aren't alone on this journey...if you have any specific questions I'm happy to help but again I am still a newbie myself and I like knowing there are many willing to help who have been using kratom much longer!
So glad you found help and this forum. And sorry you had to learn on the fly how to survive withdrawals from prescribed meds....it isn't close to OK but I promise in the long run you may be grateful and actually healthier for finding a more natural way of managing your pain.
There are some great supplements that do help with some of the imbalances you will have during the first year but not sure if you want anymore info. just be proud that your surviving this and believe that you WILL make it through!!
Are you able to sleep yet? I think the initial insomnia was worse then the dehydration for me those early weeks....I also know it can be so challenging but the more quality your diet the easier your body can work to right itself. Your body can and wants to detox the meds out and the more tools (like our fuel/food) the easier it is. I was a full on food addict so learning to see food as fuel instead of my comfort actually helped tremendously. And drink clean water til you feel like your floating ( OK not really but most of us operate at a dehydrated level and you know intimately now how dangerous dehydration can be!) I used to dream of banana bags (iv fluids) those first months lol
Good luck!!! And don't try to do this all alone....
Hugs from a fellow traveler :-bd
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