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New here 7 months 1 week ago #32594

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I watched leaf of faith it was very interesting! Thank you for recommending it! Also - will order what was suggested - plenty of it. To be ready. And start every other day with the methadone/kratom and see how it goes. Thank you everyone you’ve been so helpful I am so glad I found you!
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Glad you liked the movie.

Hold up on ordering “plenty of it”. That amount is open to interpretation. You can get a kilo for much less than buying in ounces or grams. But EVERY KIND OF STRAIN effects people differently. If you order a boatload and it’s not a good fit for your metabolism, you are sitting on a lot of powder you can’t use.

Not to say to not get much. But there is a lot of work involved in trying different strains and veins from different vendors.


Most of us recommend a sampler at first. No tiny sampler for your particular needs.

I would get about 50 gram sizes of multiple types. Let’s see what the others recommend.

Hopefully your FEAR is reduced. That one emotion can cause a lot of unnecessary wreckage.
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Someone recommended a few different kinds - but can I ask- is there something about the reds that people use for withdrawal? Or pain? I’m just wondering if maybe the different color strains have different uses....
I actually went ahead and ordered a split kilo from herbal rva. I hope I dont regret doing that but I was hoping at least one of them worked for me.... also in my reading I see that it’s good to switch strains and not stay with the same one too long?
I just want to try this - I’m anxious to see if it works for me - to see what works for me. But I’m also encouraged. Very encouraged - by you and others on here and from everything I have read so far..... the fear is there ... but isn’t there always fear in trying something unknown? It’s just I’ve never had an easy time with withdrawal and I’ve been on methadone for so long it’s hard to believe that I will actually be able to live without it.
My husband is currently taking 16mg suboxone daily and he’s wanting to get off of those... it’s been over 10’ years for him as well. Do you think he should weed down - it’s an awful lot - before trying this? Switching back and forth one day sub/one day kratom... like I’m gonna Try.....?

Thanks again for your advice your feedback.... your hope.... I appreciate it so very much...
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I'm not sure you can go back and forth from methadone to kratom and still get good help from the kratom. Check with some others on the forum who have perhaps done that.

My understanding, from reading about the mechanism of methadone is that it takes days to get it out of your system, which is why it is so hard to quit. Also, opioids and kratom tend to block each other -- so, the methadone probably is going to make the kratom less effective than it should be on the every-other-day schedule. See what I mean?

From those I've talked to, they have just slowly reduced their dose until they felt they could switch directly to doses of Red Vein kratom every 2 hours or as needed.

From what I've observed and know about the pharmacology of methadone, going back to it every other day is going to keep the addiction to it going.


Wean down is what I'd do, then wait until withdrawal is starting, THEN trust that kratom will smooth the withdrawal. I've seen it many times. It works. (I take it for a different reason and have written about it for about 5+ years.)
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Lost my entire reply and now I’m out of time

Short version: good ordering for this project.

Your husband can also do this but his wean down will take longer, everything is WORSE with subs.

You will be highly UNIMPRESSED with kratom at first. There’s no way you’ll notice it, but it WILL make withdrawal doable.

I had much more to offer in this post. I’ll get it posted later.

Congratulations on changing your life for the better.
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MaBell wrote: Thank you! So much. I will buy a scale. I wasn’t sure when to begin..... so I cannot take the kratom as I lower my methadone dose? The decreases are getting harder and harder and I am currently experiencing a lot of withdrawal symptoms as I lower for about two weeks until I stabilize on the lower dose. But when they boot me they will go from where I am to 0 in one month. Can I begin to take the kratom as they do this or must I wait until I am done with methadone for good?

Thanks again!!!!!!! MaBell



It really is best to taper the methadone down to a low dose FIRST ....then stop it altogether and replace with Kratom.

That might not work for you, BUT do not take you kratom and methadone at the same time...they compete with each other, as others have already said here.

How often do you take methadone... ONCE per day?

Normally we try to tell poeple coming off oxy to replace a dose of oxy with Kratom, BUT if you are only taking Methadone once per day you will have to wait until that dose is low enough and you want to make the switch.

Once you have decided to switch (or from what you are telling me other people may be making that choice for you) then you take a dose of Kratom instead of the methadone and you simply wait.

As soon as you start to feel withdrawal set in you take some more Kratom and wait again. You keep going on like this until you have consumed enough Kratom to keep yourself comfortable for several hours.
This will take several days to get comfy with, but you can do it completely without any methadone at all.

Eventually you will have yourself into a pattern of dosing several times per day with a dose that is right for you.

I know it feels scary but it isn't really! I stopped oxy cold turkey and started taking Kratom...NO WD whatsoever, as long as I took it often enough.

It does depend on your experience with opioids so your experience may be different and you may have some discomfort, but you should be able to manage it with Kratom.

This is easily understandable and easier to manage if you understand what is happening. Think about your opioid receptors as little pac men who gobble up the methadone you give it. Whenever they get empty they are VERY unhappy and that is when you will feel WD symptoms. IF you feed them they will shut up.

Kratom binds to your opiate receptors so they become full and the WD symptoms abate. So anytime you feel WD symptoms it is a signal to feed your opiate receptors. The only challenge is determining what their appetite is and how much they need to shut up and quit complaining!

This is why we call it an experiment and also why we say everybody is different BUT - YOU are in charge of this...nobody else. It really is very empowering! AND you become FREE!

I recommend reds because they are quite sedating, (good for pain relief too)and this can help to calm your nervous system down during the transition to Kratom. BUT if you find it too sedating for daytime then a good regular Maeng Da or Indo Maeng Da could be a good substitute for daytime.

I am not sure what strains are in your split kilo BUT this is not the time to experiment with different strains. You have an entire kilo so that is enough to get your started on your journey.

Hubby can do this too BUT not right now. I think it woud be best for you to get started on your journey first. Your success would be GREAT motivation for him.

AND finally just to answer your question, we do not recommend going back and forth between kratom and your opiate (or subs) ie aternating days. However, some people have done this successfuly.

My own view is, if you are not willing to give it up then why bother? Get the dose of your opiate down as low as possible and then you just stop it and start the kratom.

I am really excited for you to get started. Do not be afreaid to come to the forum and ask for help. If we know someone is going through the thransition onto kratom we check in quite frequently. There is usually someone available to help.
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New here 7 months 6 days ago #32621

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Thank you for your reply.
I do understand how the receptors work and I get why just coming off the methadone first would be better but the reason I was thinking I could try a little while I’m still on the methadone is not because I want to keep the addiction going but because I wasn’t to keep the ween down going - and perhaps faster.
This is what happens - and I will be completely honest -
The clinic lowers my dose about mg every other week (or want to) and when they do within the first few days - usually 3 - I experience withdrawal symptoms because of the lower dose. I beg borrow and buy either Percocet or Vicodin and take just a couple to help me get thru until I start to feel better on the lower dose. I don’t usually allow them to lower it every two weeks because of this it’s usualy once a month....

I assume that the receptors aren’t full on the Lower dose. Wouldn’t the kratom fill them for me? Taking the place of the Vicodin’s or Percocet I’ve been substituting with?

That’s my hope anyway. That way when I’m
Ready I can just jump to kratom. (I think)

When the clinic decides (should be soon) that they are done with me they will ween me to zero in one month. I am
Trying not to make it hard to do. Because these last two years of weening have been very hard for the reasons I mention above.


The strains I got in my split kilo are:

Premium Maeng Da Herbal Tea - 250g
Red Bali Herbal Tea - 250g
Red BigBang Herbal Tea - 250g
Red JongKong Herbal Tea - 250g

Will this work? Tboughts?

Thank you so so much again for your reply! I am encouraged by all the help I have received so far and I appreciate it so very much!
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I’m no expert, but my suggestion is to use the kratom in between your methadone doses instead of other stuff. You will not be impressed because you won’t feel it working like you would a vike or perc. But you will likely notice greatly reduced discomfort. I have not done exactly this - my addiction/recovery story is different.

That order should be perfect for this project.

Your husband should pay attention when he can. He’s NEXT ;-)

It’s all good. No need to panic or worry. The only problem will be, you won’t feel ANYTHING except not worse - as you dose down.

A LOT of negative self-talk and deep depression will arise somewhere along the way and you need to be prepared to IGNORE IT. Your brain will play a few tricks and it will LIE TO YOU. That’s the disease. You must NOT LISTEN to the lies and cave in or it’s all been a waste of time. If you add more opiates, the whole mess has to start over again and it’s not THAT BAD doing it with these tools (leaf).
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We would be happy to send you some FREE samples,
One time. We will even pay the shipping!

We carry 70+ kinds between our two companies

One is “Wild” Kratom
One is plantation Kratom

Both are imported buy us directly from Indonesia, we strive to provide the best products available, well some prefer wild, others prefer plantation.

You are welcome to contact us.
Heres the two sites to choose from

www.goldleafbotanicals.net . (Wild)

www.insensebotanicals.com . (Plantation)

Please look around at our reviews....

We are authorized vendors here at ILK

We would love for you to try our kratom free of charge
Each sample will be from 6-8 grams, and because of the demand, some of our sizes are limited, but we are only out of a few, and we expect our next order any day now and we will be back to full strength.

We have plenty of samples of all of our types
We only started limiting the size of purchases to be sure that we keep product available for everyone
And we try to keep our prices affordable for everyone
Please come check us out and look around for our reviews

Thank you
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When and if you are ready to explore other vendors I can recommend these strains from Insense Botanicals.
Red Thai, Red Hulu, Red Sumatra, Green Thai
Gold leaf-
Green Hulu, Green Riau

I am guessing there will be a good sale/discount code around Black Friday.

Wish you well.
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