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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34293

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Hi Everyone,
I'm so glad I found this forum,
I am a person suffering with a chronic pain condition for which I have been on prescription Hydrocodone (10mg) 4x a day and also taking Klonopin (1mg pill twice a day) for the past 3 years.
I am miserable, basically the Hydrocodone tolerance has peaked, and my doctor refuses to give me anymore.
(Perhaps this is the best thing that could have happened to me...at least I'm hoping I'll look back on it that way someday).
Because it's now compelled me to get off the Hydrocodone and Klonopin BOTH.
Of course I know I have to be careful...taper, taper, taper.

But I definitely want to try Kratom to help ease myself off the opiate/benzo dependency that my body has built up.
I was thinking to get off the klonopin first, because from what I've heard you can have seizures and really bad reaction to that withdrawal, perhaps better to stay on the Hydrocodone as I taper off the Klonopin first.

But what I would like to know is if anyone else has had a similar situation they've battled through in the past and what helped them.
*I'm not asking for medical advice, just personal experience.

Opiate dependency is horrendous, I already don't feel like I have enough to get me through the end of each day, I literally feel my body having a "mini withdrawl" because it wants more Hydrocodone by 4pm....then I sit all night with that feeling.
What I'd LIKE to do is take a little Kratom at the end of each day and see if I can't taper off the Hydrocodone/Klonopin WHILE taking the Kratom.
Or do you have to completely Cold Turkey all other drugs first?
I've ordered some CBD Oil and that's coming in the mail tomorrow, but not so sure how much that will help.

If anyone has any personal experiences to share that might be helpful, It would be so appreciated.
If not, I thank you all for being here anyway as a community and as a great resource for people on the benefits of Kratom.
Thank you!
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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34295

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Hello welcome to the fourm. Offical welcome is coming- Hi Laurie :x
There are many conversations on this forum that will help. I quickly linked a few.
Others will be here to help answer your questions, hold tight.
Kratom has a learning curve but well worth it in my opinion.
This forum can help you get ready. Selecting a quality vendor is important we can give recommendations.
I am off to work thanks to kratom(spinal arthritis)
Please ask any question you need we will get you answers.
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Kratom 101
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...-oldies#.XE8fo1xKiUn

Quick links
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/the-kratom-use...start=0#.XE8f-1xKiUl

www.ilovekratom.com/kratom-news-blog/57-...addiction-to-opiates
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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34296

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Hi Nan70
Thank you so much for the links (I'm going to read through them now).
I want to learn as much as I can about Kratom in order to take it in the safest way possible given my situation.

Although I will initially be using the kratom to help me ease off the opiate/benzo dependency, If it's also able to help with pain relief than I'll definitely be sticking with it to help me with my chronic pain condition that got me started on the Hydrocodone to begin with (Interstitial Cystitis).
You give me hope, if Kratom is able to ease the pain of something as intense as spinal arthritis for you, than I'm encouraged that it might very well be able to help my condition as well, since my condition stems from an issue of inflammation also.
Very painful :(

Thank you again for your kind welcome and the links
I'm glad to be here.
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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34297

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Good morning desertgirl, happy you found this amazing community/forum!!

Kratom will definitely help you with the process of getting off the meds you are on, my situation in use is a little bit different than yours, I used Kratom to get off antidepressants and non benzo anxiety meds, but used to be on 10 mg hydrocodone ( norco) for two years and I choose to stop cold turkey with out the assistance of Kratom,,,( I didn’t know about it at the time )and stopped cold turkey ... so as far as the opiates go, I was able to stop a 60mg of norcos a day and was irritable for 3 days , using ganja helped with this,

I can’t give any personal account with benzos , but take great care in getting off those, and very important to taper with the help of your doctor .

Kratom probably won’t be felt at its best till you’ve started the tapering with the opiates, but will still help you , as you take less and less the Kratom benefits will be experienced more and more , this has to do with the receptor sites down regulating ...both Kratom and opiates effect the same sites and Kratom is not as bossy with them like opiates are .. will definitely helneith withdraw symptoms

Take a dose of Kratom that will help you with any opiate withdraw , I imagine starting at a slightly higher dose than a person that is new to Kratom who isn’t on pains meds would be ,maybe start with 3-4 grams and take another 1/2-1 tsp every 45 minuets to 1 hr till you achieve relief

Others with more personal experience will chime in soon , but this is to give you a idea , experimenting to find what works best will take some time , but this is such a great thing to do and you can do it , take great care with the benzos and with your doctors help, this is crucial as it is even more tricky than stopping pain meds , as you probably already know

You are going to feel so much better off the meds , Kratom has helped me sooooo much, an amazing tool to have in the tool box!!!

Happy you found this awesome forum , hope you get all the info you need (L) (c)
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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34299

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Thank you so much for your response.
I agree with you about needing to be extra careful with the Benzo's, however I'm on a very low dose.
Only a 1mg pill taken 2x daily (I'm starting today cutting down on it with the help of a pill cutter) gonna go verrry slow on that..reduce like every 2 weeks by a quarter pill.
My thinking on this is, I'd prefer to have the smaller amount of Benzo's out of my system first because I don't know what the potential drug interactions are of being on Klonopin and Kratom at the same time, and I'd rather not chance it.

So once I'm safely off the Benzo's (which will take a couple months) then I can tackle the Vicodin...maybe even start bringing that down too slowly with the Klonopin...I'll see how I feel.
I have withdrawn from Opiods before, so this isn't my first time at bat...but it was a long time ago when I was 30 yrs old...I'm now 53.
I will take the advice that you and others I've read on here suggest as far as tapering as low on the Vicodin as possible before hopping on to Kratom.
The hardest part for me is the psychological effects of the withdrawal.
I tried getting off Vicodin 2 years ago and I fell into the deepest depression I've ever known. That's the part that scares me.
I know there are supplements and herbs to take to help with sleep, anxiety, the shakes (like Valerian)
but it's the depression part that worries me.
Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to me, and for your advice.
I'm making notes of everything I'm getting here from people in the way of suggestions.

*One of the things I think will help me emotionally is I'm writing a list of all the POSITIVE things that will come from quitting and hanging it on my wall by my bed so I see it every day, things like:
Not being a slave to the opiates/ my doctor/ not having to go to the pharmacy every month and feeling like a drug addict when I have to pick up my rx, etc.
Freedom.
Being dependent on opiates (and benzos) is nothing more than chemically-induced slavery.
I'm DONE with it!

thank you again :)
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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34301

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WELCOME to our Family Desertgirl!

First thing is first. Let's celebrate that you are here looking for some natural answers to your problems! :-bd :-P >:D =D>

Now, I'd like to introduce myself and give you some background of my own. Maybe I can give you some encouragement and hope too.

I came here just about a month ago myself. I also came here searching for answers and support for my switch from Suboxone to Kratom. I was on Opiate pain killers for about 4 years before getting on SUB to quit the other. Spent 2 years on SUB but it's a maintenance drug and I can't see myself going to the doctor every month for the next 40 years just to stay addicted to another opiate. Heck if I'm gonna do that I may as well get a high off it which the SUB don't do. I discovered Kratom online and bought some after reading about a guy who used it to get off pills.

I QUIT COLD TURKEY ONE DAY. I have always had difficulty tapering. I just couldn't do it. Especially when I was on actual pain pills. They were just too good to me...

Today, I am glad to say I am 13 days off of Sub and doing great! The Kratom DRAMATICALLY reduced my withdrawal symptoms, Almost to zero. This has been the most pleasant withdrawal I have ever had. The Kratom truly did do what others have said. It filled those freshly empty Mu-receptors and kept me from withdrawing terribly. It is nothing short of a miracle. No dizziness, no upset stomach except one time and Now im not so sure it was even related to the WD tbh. NO RLS at night which is HUUUUUGE. I've been BLOWN AWAY by the power of Kratom even though during withdrawing you will not feel the full effects of Kratom. It will be busy taking care of your withdrawals so you wont feel extreme pain relief etc until the other chemicals are gone and the Kratom can then kinda do what it does on it's own without fighting off the other, for lack of better way of explaining.

RED BALI and RED MD will be essential when you started to cut back on your pills. They are great for pain relief and considered the best for Opiate WD. RED BALI in particular.Everyone said I needed to buy a large amount to have on hand but honestly I haven't went through 4-5 ounces in 2 weeks and I take it 3x daily so I have about 12 more ounces of RED BALI on hand for later.

We are here for you. Questions, concerns, just need to vent...we are here.
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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34304

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Hi Kra Kra (love your handle by the way :silly::woohoo:

I think it's incredibly brave of you that you decided to just jump off Cold Turkey, wow.
Maybe I'm getting old, but I'd be afraid my body wouldn't be able to handle that at this point, lol.

My method would be more along the lines of getting down as low as I can go on the Vicodin before I'm about to jump out of my skin....and THEN go to the Kratom.
But I just want to get off the opiates. Period.
Especially with the current climate in this country over our opiate crisis. I need to get off the medication now before I'm forced off it. I want to do this the right way.
I guess I made a good choice this morning then, I just purchased some Red Bali strain and also a White Borneo to help with my withdrawal. I definitely need something for pain (Red Bali) but for me the mental/emotional depression of the withdrawal is the real hard part, so maybe mixing a wee bit of the White Borneo will help uplift me.
I'll probably check out some of the suggested vendors you guys have here on the site and see if I can buy (or get some samples of) a few other Reds (Borneo? Maeng Da?) just to have it on hand.
If there's one thing I'm learning it's that finding your "sweet spot", or correct dose is the most challenging part of Kratom. So I'll take your advice and start slow and low...and build if I need more.
Congratulations for being 13 days clean off the Subox...I just find it amazing that people are able to make that jump off the opiates and move to Kratom without any looking back, or relapsing. It truly gives me hope.

Thank you for your advice, I'm feeling a lot more inspired now :-bd
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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34307

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I went the cortisone injection route for my pain management I think I did over tens years of injections. Injections should not be used repeatedly like that, to manage chronic pain. A year ago my doctor recommended pain meds because my condition was ruining my quality of life. They also tried to put me on anti depressants. Pain meds didn't help me function so I never went down that road.
I also wanted control over my own pain management. Kratom allows this. Kratom has anti inflammatory properties which why I think I get so much success from it. But with plant medicines these properties take a few weeks to kick in fully.
We have a few forum members who also use other herbal remedies for pain and mental health so take advantage of us when you can. Kratom is one tool I have for pain manage, probably the best but its not the only botanical I use.

Also visit the AKA web site. Don't be discouraged we are all here to help together.
www.americankratom.org/
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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34319

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i too take oxycodone and a benzo (xanax) thanks to the oregon legislature they have just made a mandate, that you cannot take oxy and benzo together, my doctor said i had to choose one or the other to quit, so i chose the xanax, you have to taper off, i was on 3 1mg tabs a day, so i went to 2 1/2 the first 10days, then 2 the next 10day, and so forth until i was completely off, it sucks but i had to make the choice, but my problem is i always end up taking more oxy because they have cut me down so much, so i always end up with only 2 weeks of the oxy, then i turn to my kratom for the next 2weeks, i really want to stay on kratom solely so i think this next month i am going to taper off of the oxy..the kratom works great no withdrawls so i know just where you are coming from, god bless you .......catspaw1955
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New Member About to Quit Opiate & Benzos with Kratom 2 months 3 weeks ago #34349

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It is awesome that Kratom can provide so many different kinds of relief. I too was on pain meds and was taken off by the Dr. Due to state federal pressures. I also had a prescription for benzo meds.

I have a very painful condition “Crohn’s Disease” and I do my best to use Kratom for my pain control needs.
But, sometimes Kratom is not enough to overcome the pain in my gut. In the last year I have had to go to the E.R. and receive pain meds and also spent 4 days in hospital no food or water until the blockage in my small intestine open enough to eat again.

The reason I say all this is just learn for yourself what Kratom can do for you personally and know the limits of this wonderfull leaf.
It is wise to gradually taper certain medications and in some emergency situations you may need pharmaceutical pain meds.

Good Luck you guys keep trying new strains to improve your quality of life and quality of experience...
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