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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 6 months ago #36526

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I really dont pay attention to how much my daily kratom intake is. I start the morning off with 2 to 3 tsp's of a mix of strains and vendors. I take it with Tumeric that has black pepper in it. then i have my morning coffee and wait for the kratom to kick in. then my anxiety fades away and i feel more positive and energetic. i can actually start my day and not want to curl back into bed.
From there i dose throughout the day depending on how i feel and what i am doing. so i dont get caught up in trying to take as little as possible. rotating strains and vendors as kept my tolerance in check.'

It would only concern me if i started taking doses just to take more.
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 6 months ago #36505

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I take at least 25 grams per day in divided doses for pain management (I am having some trouble managing pain lately too).

There is NOTHING wrong with being dependent on Kratom, please stop judging your worth based on whether you "need" something to manage pain.

LESS is NOT MORE when it comes to pain management - at least my own experiments have led to that conclusion.

Kratom is a complex plant with MANY alkaloids and that is why it can be used for a wide variety of symptoms.

BUT with Kratom there is the issue of tolerance developing so it is best to be doing OTHER things to help with pain management too.

PAIN is not caused by a Kratom deficiency, so taking Kratom will not address the root cause of pain. Kratom can help to improve the quality of life for chronic pain sufferrs BUT the root cause must be adressed in order to see life long improvement.

Since I suffer from myofascial pain (as opposed to nerve pain or radiculopathy) I have found manual therapies to be very helpful (physiotherapy, RMT, alignment and structural based therapies, Yoga, Bowen therapy, osteopathy, walking etc ) as a way to stretch and strengthen my muscles and bones so they can support me.

Inflammation can be adressed with herbs and an anti-inflammatory diet.

ALL of these things work together!

BTW - her is my interpretation about the less is more theory

www.ilovekratom.com/forum/introduce-yourself/7709-...lerance#.XKZH5yhKhhE
BEV

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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 7 months ago #35725

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I have to Agree with you about Reddit. It is a mixed bag of people. Some are there to help & some are there just to Argue it seems like. You know ILK is the Best Kratom Forum.
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 7 months ago #35608

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Hey little bear ,

I like many other folks who’ve discovered Kratom used to be on meds to treat ailments such as depression, anxiety all stemming from chronic pain. After using Kratom for a week I decided to stop my depression meds, I did that cold turkey and had a rough time, very sick and emotionally like a train that lost brakes, id taper off those if I could have a do over, but I made it through with huge help from Kratom.

We are all unique in our chemistry so while I know it’s possible to get off most if not all meds cause I did that, might be trickier for others , might be the greatest decision to make for health, psychological and physical.. but tapering is I think the way to go, taper until you are there

This ilovekratom place is very special because unlike Reddit, which has some great info , we don’t bring hammers down on anyone trying to just find a way that works, we by all appearances have eachothers best interests at heart and in mind , big thx to everyone’s contributions, Paul , Laurie and all the members who exemplifies integrity and keeps this place well oiled with awesomeness,

We are all so lucky to have eachother, this community and Kratom !!

Kratom is just that great of a herbal tool, this is just that awesome of a forum

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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 7 months ago #35581

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I've also gotten scared away by the Reddit forums. After a while I realized that the people posting there are a pretty mixed bag. There are some great people who provide a lot of knowledge, but I'v also seen a few that are chasing the latest high.
This forum seems to be pretty much about people using Kratom for pain and also for depression. It is the attitude of using Kratom as medicine. I originally started it for pain, but I find it has really been helpful in dealing with depression and anxiety. I hope that I will eventually get off of my anti-depressant meds. I don't really think they do much anymore, but I don't feel I can just stop.
Using Kratom is making feel that that could be a good alternative to help me simplify my meds. I think I am not the only one who started taking meds at one time and just continued without really determining if that is what I still need.
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 7 months ago #35464

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I would suggest trying other Herbs with Kratom like Incarvillea & Akuamma. The 20:1 Extract Incarvillea Sinensis has been better for Pain Relief than Kratom for me. You could replace a dose or two with another Pain Relieving herb or take a Potentiator with Kratom like Turmeric with Black Pepper, Cayenne, Magnesium, Vitamin C, Cat's Claw etc. Just a few suggestions.
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 7 months ago #35463

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Skisouthtahoe, You will be fine. I try to give myself and everybody else the benefit of the doubt. Kratom has helped me be more positive towards myself and others. I find when I take Kratom at work I am freindly, kind, and not as selfish.

Kratom is awesome. ILK Forum is awesome.

Welcome Skisouthtahoe...(L) (L) (L)
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 7 months ago #35460

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Thanks, and hugs back, I’m so blessed to have found all of you. I suppose what happened is I went over to Reddit/quittingkratom and got spooked, lol. Those people I suppose have whatever else going on in their lives, feel guilty about multiple dosing a day. Even knowing the potential for abuse, nature of dependency and difficulty weaning, I love this plant. As far as dosing several times a day, I don’t see that as being any different than having to take other meds morning/noon/night. That’s just how it is. The days of being able to get up at 3 a.m., throw a sleeping bag in the trunk and taking a road trip, or getting up after a night of drinking and going on a 20 mile bike ride are over. Electronics, wall chargers, etc., the same. It’s just how it is.
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 7 months ago #35455

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Hey you,

I agree with everyone else. If you need it, then by god use it. I am not religious, but I am not an idiot either. I know without a doubt plants were put here because we NEED them. It isn't our fault that corporations have taken over and try to literally snuff the life out of everything green, and everyone they can see and touch. If you need it, do it. You do what you need to do, and if it helps, great, if it doesn't, then you do what you need to do in order to MAKE it work. You will not now, nor ever, I would guess, find judgement here, amongst us. Consider us like your interwebz family of sorts. We will do what we can to help, without all the bs judgement. -hugs- keep your head up, and you go do what you need to do in order to feel better. You DESERVE to feel good, to be happy, and to go through your day without fighting pain all day. You DESERVE to feel better. So go do what works. We don't judge here, and wouldn't dream of it. We are all here for different reasons, different motivations, different journeys. But the one thing all of us have in common, that has brought us all together, is this wonderful plant. This tree that saves each and everyone of us in our own way. We are here for you, keep us updated, please, we care. -hugs- <3
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Trying to overcome “conviction” about the less is more theory 1 year 7 months ago #35399

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Thank you so much!
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