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Anyone available for withdrawal support? 2 months 2 weeks ago #51679

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How are you doing, The Good Rev?
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Michelle373 is on point! We all have a different experience on kratom breaks, just like I cannot expect to know what red Malay does for you, etc. subjective uniqueness ....

That lethargy and depression was the hardest for me, because I struggle with those often, even with medication AND good kratom. Lasted about 3-5 days ...

The first 24 hours is certainly the most difficult and inconvenient day. After that, I could still do stuff as per usual. It was just a bit more of an effort from within.

Be well, and we enjoy hearing from you as you go. It really is an ongoing learning process and people can google and find your experience here! They may be inspired and empowered by reading your experiences, Michelle373’s, mine, etc.
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Anyone available for withdrawal support? 2 months 2 weeks ago #51637

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yes good rev, i think the worst is over.. just my opinion.

i went through a full reset in jan for the whole month. but it was planned and i had an arsenal of herbs. you can use akuamma and incarvellia and either corydalis or skullcap at night for pain. sometimes mixed with wild lettuce. add in a little kava for anxiety or mind chatter. i also took occasional stem and vein for day pain.

my tolerance skyrocketed too. some people it just happens faster. i did as well.my long hour work days it was easy and convenient to dose more more often. rarely dabbled in extracts so i cant blame that.

moving forward, once you go back to the leaf measure doses, rotate strains and companies often. easy way to remember is say monday insense plain leaf, re-leaf tuesday blends. and so on. ive also been told/ learned dont blend ll the time. save a few days just with one color plain leaf. doesnt have to be the same like green riau for day and red malay for night.

in the meantime keep yourself occupied. as they say, this too shall pass...
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I’m following along, too! Hopefully you have easier days going forward. I never had the symptoms you describe and am sorry to hear you’re having super exaggerated anxiety. Anxiety is the main reason people quit quitting, so you should be done with the worst.

Next will be lethargy that’s hard to bear. Depression, too. They last a while but not as scary as what you’ve had so far. Hang in there!
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Anyone available for withdrawal support? 2 months 2 weeks ago #51633

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Rereading my previous posts I realize I didn't explain my situation well. In my defense, I was mid anxiety attack and just looking for a lifeline at the moment. Y'all provided, and I've been in a decent place for the last few hours.

I started taking kratom 11 months ago, initially to address pain, but it ended up helping my anxiety and depression more.

My tolerance went up steadily. I skipped days every now and then and took several 4 day breaks and even a couple one week breaks. During the last couple breaks I had severe restless leg syndrome and sweating profusely when sleeping.

I had gotten up to at least 7 tsp per day, and sometimes having to dose twice a day. My last dose on Wed night was 8tsp. To be honest, it makes me sick to drink that much. I have to choke it down in a swallow or two at a time, chasing each drink. I hate that part, but it has helped with anxiety and depression - so I just kept trying to take days off to keep tolerance down, and initially it would drop, but very very quickly I would progress back up to my high dose.

I felt like it wasn't sustainable health wise to take so much and also financially. That's a lot of tea! I've been looking into psilocybins and became interested in microdosing that. I didn't want kratom in my system at the same time, just to reduce variables - so I decided to quit. That's why cold turkey... not other reason. I've never felt addicted. Never felt compelled to dose other than when I felt I needed to. So here I am.... we will see where it goes.

I really appreciate y'all.
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Anyone available for withdrawal support? 2 months 2 weeks ago #51632

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Thanks for the feedback. I'm hoping that I can just get through it. I wasn't expecting it at all. I guess I associated withdrawal with addiction more than I did tolerance. My mistake. :(

It was a trippy day. At one point I thought, I imagine this is what it is like to take LSD. It was super trippy, and that triggered some major anxiety, and I truly thought I was going to die.

Once I started figuring out what was going on, the anxiety subsided, and the weird "out of body" type feelings have been minimal. Maybe I get lucky and get off with just one bad afternoon? Hope so.

If not, and tomorrow takes a turn for the worse, I wondered if taking a half dose of what I was on most days might pull me out of withdrawal and I reset with a weaning protocol.

Any feedback on this plan?

Thanks, all. I knew I would get good support here, and it has made a big difference for me.
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Anyone available for withdrawal support? 2 months 2 weeks ago #51627

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This topic just came up tonight with a friend.

One thing to keep in mind is that when you’ve taken most anything consistently for a while and then stop abruptly, there’s gonna be an adjustment period. Depending on the frequency and amount taken .... and personal chemistry ... (all good to take into account ) will be a big factor in the severity of symptoms when stopping a herb.

I utilize kratom every day several times a day for three years for chronic pain, depression and anxiety... the energy is a nice bonus . So I’ve been good with the choice of getting off pharmaceuticals in exchange for the leaf . I know when I cut back or if I stop I’ll experience not only my symptoms resurfacing but also a level of discomfort associated with stopping kratom abruptly . Herbs such as Akuamma , hirsuta or javanica as well as other herbs like corydalis, incarvilea sinensis or Chuchuhuasi and more... ( InSense carry’s these herbs ) can greatly help diminish the discomfort.

I’m happy for you to take this head on , however I’m of the opinion of making it easier on the body than not pertaining to these periods of adjustment. Tapering down is a friendly route , as well as implementing S&V.

I don’t know your reasons for taking kratom and for stopping cold turkey , but these uncomfortable symptoms will die down and your body will adjust over the course of handful of days .

We are here for you through out every bit of the process . Babel and Michele gave solid info from experience and knowledge gained .

One day at a time while adding some helpful herbs in the process.

Please check back in and let us know how you are progressing. We are here for you bro !

Good luck , this isn’t a comfy thing but also very doable compared to most things out there.

Some valerian, and like Babel and michele mentioned , showers, baths and some walking / exercising can be very helpful during the transition .

Big respect , you got this , and we are here for you ! :)
Life is better with kratom !
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Anyone available for withdrawal support? 2 months 2 weeks ago #51626

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hey the good rev!

it might get a little worse before it gets better but in a couple days this will be all over. that might not help right NOW but alot of anxiety herbals can help if you have anything on hand.

with me, a good workout, walk, meditation or even listening to music can help. sleep as much as you can to shake it off. youll be good in no time.

it might sound totally nuts but even a baseball bat to your pillow can help if you get angry or frustrated.

frequent showers or baths can be of help.

let us know how we can help!
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Anyone available for withdrawal support? 2 months 2 weeks ago #51625

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I'm having issues with my phone... let me try to post again.

I read all those posts, and they helped. Thank you.

I started having out of body type experiences, anxiety attacks, irritability.
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Even for Kratom users who feel they are doing fine there can be valuable info at places devoting to taking a break/quitting Kratom.

Here's one. www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom/comments/7p0qx2/re..._first_if_youre_new/

So many good links! For example, this one might be very relevant for you: www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom/comments/62ejc8/qu...atom_what_to_expect/

Days 2 - 5. These are most likely going to be the roughest days physically. The flu-like symptoms usually begin at some point after 24 hours and can last for 3 or 4 days. You may experience some or all of the following symptoms: Runny nose Yawning Sneezing Body aches Temperature fluctuations--hot flashes and chills Fatigue Insomnia Restless Leg Syndrome (it can also affect the arms) Sweating Nausea Diarrhea A feeling of heaviness in the body

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