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Insense strains making me drowsy. 1 month 4 weeks ago #52169

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Hi wilcys,
Just welcomed you in another thread ,

Reds tend to be relaxing for many , though there are plenty of “faster” reds out there ,

Greens are what I prefer most of the time , great energy, good pain relief and moodlifting qualities . Whites can be very energetic.. but some are relaxing .... kratom is a riddle , but it’s primarily the alkaloid profile and how your individually unique chemistry reacts to a certain variety ... only one way to find out is by experiencing several types from a few vendors and see what suits your fancy !

Others will add to this , great to have you here , your amongst some great folks (L)

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Insense strains making me drowsy. 1 month 4 weeks ago #52165

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2 grams of red and sleepy
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Insense strains making me drowsy. 2 months 7 hours ago #52142

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TheArchitect wrote: To respond to someone’s earlier questions:
I’m taking roughly 7-8 grams per use. I usually just have one use in the morning, and one in the afternoon if necessary. A couple

7-8 gr will put one to sleep. Try 3-3-½ gr.
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Insense strains making me drowsy. 2 months 20 hours ago #52139

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hey leavesalone!

what great comments from a newbie. . good call! ;) yes i love gold leaf, IMO insense is a touch better for pain relief. their red malay is awesome too. call rob. they are awesome! and psst... their akuamma is very helpful and great bang/ buck!
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Insense strains making me drowsy. 2 months 21 hours ago #52138

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Hey Architect,

I’m sorry your in such a constant state of pain , many of us here utilize kratom for pain management, to great levels of success!

If you’ve just recently stopped taking pain meds , this could totally explain the need for higher dosage amounts , but could just be the fact that your pain is high.... could even be chemistry..!!

I know when I take higher doses , I tend to get more relaxed and have less up and go energy .

I use to take 1TBS( approx 6-7.5gms) 3-4x .
When I switched to taking 2 tsp or approx 5.5gm , I gained more energy and still have great pain relief . Try cutting your dose down just to see if it’s beneficial, after an hr of relief isn’t there , take a booster dose .

Thx for being here , really nice to have you and chat about these important topics . Pretty sweet and informed community, we all want what’s best for each other !

I’ve taken what was touted as great leaf and lacked great effects , then taking a little less brought about great effects .. night and day ... doesn’t happen all the time , some varieties/ batches just don’t jive with our chemistry... but try the lesser amount in the name of science :)

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Insense strains making me drowsy. 2 months 21 hours ago #52137

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Hey leaveleavesalone40, good username :)
Welcome to the ILK family!

You said it friend , what’s grest for one, not for another ... I think there’s so much involved that’s makes it this way , many factors , chemistry, medications, diet and tolerance.... and more .

Thx for adding your thoughts to the discussion, hope to see ya more around these parts (L)

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Insense strains making me drowsy. 2 months 21 hours ago #52136

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To respond to someone’s earlier questions:
I’m taking roughly 7-8 grams per use. I usually just have one use in the morning, and one in the afternoon if necessary. A couple grams less for any enhanced strains. Like I said, being new to kratom my experience has been limited, but even still I’ve tried my best to switch between In Sense and the Remarkable Herbs. I’ll try to add more to the rotation. I’ve had my best luck with greens. For some reason, whites don’t seem to do much for me, which is a shame, because based on the info I’ve gathered, the benefits most experience from white strains is what I’m aiming for the most. And reds don’t seem to offer any more pain relief than some of the greens I’ve had. And the drowsiness is definitely not an issue enough for me to not enjoy the strains I’ve received from In sense, so far they’ve all been great. With my last order they actually sent a sample of yellow borneo and that was very pleasant to the point that they may actually be my next full order.

I’ll check out the wild strains yall suggested, and some of the other vendors listed here as well. I will update as soon as I get a chance to try more and see if particular strains were part of the issue. It also seems that I may actually need to try lessening my dose. I will try that as well.

It may also be important to note that I suffer from a bone disorder that has made any and all physical activity a painful experience. I’ve completely dropped the hydrocodones, and am doing my best to let the kratom do the work. Its been life saving. But also could explain some of the effectiveness issues. In any case, thanks all.
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Insense strains making me drowsy. 2 months 1 day ago #52127

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Lol, wow, it's pretty cool to me that Leaveleavesalone40 thought to mention Gold Leaf while I was doing an edit to my post to mention them. And we both like the Super Green Optima, and White Hulu. I didn't mention it, but I also like the Red Ketapang. It occupies its own niche among medium speed Reds, ones that are also good with pain.

If I'd have thought to scroll up before editing I could have seen it, and added my amazement to my earlier post.

Try the Gold Leaf Green Riau if you like a subtle, but complex, relaxing burn. Emphasis on the relaxing part, though it is not a slow strain. The In Sense Green Riau is for me the Big City Cousin to it, lol. Faster paced!
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Insense strains making me drowsy. 2 months 1 day ago #52124

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It is crazy how different kratom vendors products affect people differently! I think that company is connected to goldleafbotanicals.com, too. It is wild picked, not plantation. Maybe that would agree with you better. I have used goldleaf kratom. My favorite strains they offer are Red Ketapang, Super Green Optima, and white hulu. I rotate with a few other vendors. I think that is generally smarter for daily burns. Pretty potent too. They sent me samples too in every order. Hope that can be of use to you!
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Insense strains making me drowsy. 2 months 1 day ago #52122

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Hmm, that other Tea might have had some "bones"/Stem and Vein mixed in, and as is the case for some people, that caused you to get a more prolonged, more moderate, "burn".

What could also be in play is your being sensitive to Kratom's stimulating effects (a good thing), but your body is excreting the stimulating Kratom alkaloids before your body is done feeling the effects of the relaxing ones, as well as one of the main ones, the 7-Hydroxymitragynine which is acting as an effective pain reliever. Again, this is a good thing that you haven't built up a tolerance to that.

If I'm correct, then a totally empty stomach, and acidic drinks, will only accentuate this effect. An empty stomach can be a good thing for most people, but in your case you might benefit from some fat, or oil, in your stomach so as to bind with Kratom's alkaloids and give you a smoother burn.

You might want to consider taking Agmatine three or four times a week, from between 500 milligrams, to one gram. Many say it's best taken at nighttime, others say that doesn't matter. I buy it powdered, as it's much cheaper in that form.

While In Sense doesn't sell Stem and Vein, some of their Tea might be a bit bony, we'll have to ask Rob though.

Another thing is that "less is more", and it's held by some that smaller the amount of an average Kratom that you take, the "faster" it will be, relative to it how it will alleviate pain and/or relax you.

I'd hate to advise lots of re-dosing in a day, but if you stuck to smaller amounts, half your usual amount or even less, it might be a better experience for you to take two or three servings a day if you were previously taking one or two. The danger being that you will become more habituated to taking Kratom, even though you might be no more chemically dependent on it then you were before.

Most of us here have a bag or two of stem and vein laying around. It hasn't been all that wildly popular in the past (spending money on Tea that "does less"), which is why most vendors don't bother with it. But as more new users start shopping on the internet for Kratom, they eventually look to learn about maintaining a good tolerance level, and so some of them seek out Stem & Vein, among other helpful products.

Yadda, yadda, yadda, some stem and vein might smooth out your burns. As an alternative, you could try In Sense's Dark Red MD, Golden Benulu, and Gold Indonesia. In my experience they provide very smooth, and long lasting, burns. So do some others, like Super Optima, but they might too "fast" and that quality might behind feeling a crash.

You might also be a bit of an opposite, and a mellow strain like In Sense's Red Sumatra will give you both consistent mellowness and pain relief while not giving you so much energy that you later get a crash. It can be an upbeat strain if taken in a moderate serving size. A large one can be "nighty-night!", so start with a small serving size if you ever try it.

I hear you about crashing, which is why when I take a fast White strain I often blend it with Stem And Vein, and some of Kratom's less fierce cousins in the plant kingdom.

Even when I was just pounding jumbo sized coffees during the work day I had to be aware of the crash that would eventually come. And Mitragynine, the other main alkaloid in Kratom, can more stimulating than any coffee, depending on strain, and the amount taken.

P.S. I forgot to mention that I'm also a fan of the Wild Grown Kratom that In Sense sells at their other site, Gold Leaf Botanicals. I hate to over generalize, but Kratom that is plantation grown can be reflective of how Kratom growers have been successful at growing crops of more powerful Kratom leaf. Sometimes that can mean the two main alkaloids are more potent than people expect. Which is rarely complained of, lol, but I often like the wild grown Gold Leaf Kratom because it can provide a mellow, but very interesting, burn. I generally feel less of a peak, and less of a drop off in effect, with wild grown than I do with plantation. Gold Leaf's Green Riau is very, very, nice in my experience. Their White Hulu is to me pretty darn fast, but it's also smooth, and I don't get much of a crash, and it doesn't leave me feeling sleepy.

I've got so much good Green Hulu from my early days of buying Kratom that I never tried any of In Sense's or Gold Leaf's. But imo Green Hulu can be considered a solid example of what Kratom can be about, an all around nice experience. For me, it starts and finishes pretty much the same, and is more tolerant of different serving sizes, within reason. Maybe it's something that will nicely synch up to your metabolism, and as we all know, we're different in what "works" for us.
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