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kratom and anti depressants 4 years 6 months ago #7141

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lerellen, everyone's body chemistry is different and even varies greatly on a day to day basis so I can only share with you my experience with kratom and seroquel and SSRIs (sertraline).

Without getting too deep into it, When I was 17 I was on 200mg of zoloft, 500mg of seroquel and Loratabs for PTSD and pain management. Needless to say, I was a zombie on that cocktail. I had real terrifying and sometimes life threatening symptoms including insomnia and anxiety and self harm, but I knew that there must be a better way to deal with them than being so sedated that I couldn't experience life. That's when kratom came into my life. At first it was a way to mimic the feelings of the opiod painkillers I had been taking. Then I started to notice that If I took it before my other meds, it would delay the onset of anxiety before my other meds took effect. Having been on SSRIs since I was 10 years old, I knew that I would have to ween myself off of the other meds gradually and one at a time to see if the kratom could replace them. Both my psychiatrist and my father (who is a doctor) told me not to try it. My therapist agreed so long as I kept her informed of any changes. I wish that I could be more specific as to the effects during my transition, however my memory is still very clouded from that time in my life.

I can say that now its 6 years later and I have a job I love, I share a home with beautiful friends, and greet most days with love. I take 1/2 tablespoon of Green Riau every morning when I get up, 1/2 tablespoon of Green Maylay in the evening if I can't sleep. I won't attribute my mental healing to kratom, I think it was years of hard work with a therapist and EMDR that did the heavy lifting. The kratom allowed me enough mental calm to build a solid foundation for mental health. I still struggle with self doubt over having to take anything regularly to be stable, but I remember that every human being isn't a closed system of brain chemistry. Sure most people get everything they need from their food and some sunshine, but everyone's body will seek out what it is lacking.

If you do decide to try to make ANY switch in your medications, please do it with the help of a healthcare provider. Changes in meds and doses, even if extremely gradual can cause suicidal symptoms. You absolutely need someone who can watch for any of these changes. If you have any, just remember that it is a singular moment in time and is insignificant in the context of your greater life.


Also, I just ran across this site today, and I wan't to express my appreciation to everyone here for creating such an informative grounded community. That's a rare thing. :)

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kratom and anti depressants 4 years 6 months ago #6772

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Not all Psych docs will be this Open Minded. My doc was Extremely Nice, Humble & A Good Listener which is rare these days. I always heard Kratom is close to the Coffee Bean Family in it's Chemical Makeup but I could be wrong. Good Luck with your Medicine Changing Lowering Situation.
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kratom and anti depressants 4 years 6 months ago #6756

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Interesting Madmax.. mine is more open about pot so I do not have a clue what he would say about kratom. It would be nice to have a full disclosure. I do search interactions with meds I am on and codeine since it is the closest to kratom (that is from what I have read, I know the chemical signatures are very different)

I also have had my ssri lowered a lot since starting kratom for fear they may interact at another level. I am working on getting off all my medications but it takes time. I functioned once very well without them and would like to get back to using a couple "tokes" at night for sleep and kratom during the day. I am slowly getting there and currently I do not smoke pot. It is finally legal in my state but with the meds I take it would just make me comatose. Thank you for letting me know how open minded psych docs can be. I should mention I have heard of it to him and see if he knows anything.

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kratom and anti depressants 4 years 6 months ago #6746

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I used to got to a Psych Doc & I told him all about Kratom. I told him how much Kratom has helped me with all my Medical Conditions. He ordered a book all about Kratom for himself & was going to Suggest it to all his other Patients but first he was going to Research Kratom for awhile. Anyway I stopped going to the Psych Doc & I don't know what exactly happened. I did get a Doctor interested in Kratom & how it can helping people with their Problems. B)
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kratom and anti depressants 4 years 6 months ago #6733

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I think it is about your situation at that moment. I had a death in my family 15yrs ago and took meds for just over a year, from a GP that knew me very well. The GP I have now I would never let him prescribe me mental health meds. He does not know me well at all and honestly I am in the process of finding a new one.

I do bio-feedback (therapy about 2x a month). I also now see a phych doc who took a lot of time to even prescribe meds to me. He looks at my therapy notes and talks to me about what is going on.

I could see a GP throwing something on a patient that may not be needed or maybe excessive for the situation or even not enough? Thats when you need to take a close look at things and try to figure out 1. is this the right doc for me 2. would therapy alone be more effective and 3. how does this med make me feel, better or worse? There are a million other variables to this also.

I do realize and know from experience co-pays can be a problem with therapy but some plans come with 3 or 4 visits. I am lucky to fall under charity care. My story now is long and not one I would like to share 100% of here but many people take medication for a brief time or get switched. I also learned kratom is not always the solution to get off of medications alone. It can help but it takes work also. Good luck to all. It is a slippery slope and what works for one person is not a guarantee it will work for everyone else.

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kratom and anti depressants 4 years 6 months ago #6732

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I don't know if they pick a drug at random, Llerellen, but I know sometimes it takes some trial and error with different meds & dosage till you find one that works. I think my Doc picked Lexapro, because the salesman had just been there & he (the Doc) had some samples to give out.
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I would definitely taper off of the meds. Stopping suddenly is not a great feeling. I recently tried to taper off of meds and it did not go so well for me. I did manage to cut my dose of Celexa and take less klonopin (if I have the right strain of kratom).

I think I am going to check out the facebook group mentioned by Paul. If there are others that have done it or know more about it I am all for that. I wish you luck with your journey. I am on a new med myself and having doubts, the long term side effects scare me. It works well but recently researching it further scared me a bit.

I would also keep your doc posted about any changes or cuts you make. My doc does not know about kratom and I wish I could tell him but he would not know what it is. On the other hand if you cut your meds and for some reason are hospitalized (sorry to sound negative) and they get your med records you want them updated. You could end up worse off. This has always been my mothers advice...

My doc is aware of my taper from Celexa and the new med is temporary (I hope) until I can feel more comfortable with the klonopin taper also. I feel like I am making no sense today. Time for my best med of all, coffee. Take care and good luck!

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kratom and anti depressants 4 years 6 months ago #6729

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Thanks all of y'all. I think I'm afraid of the withdrawal because I don't now what to expect. Aimee, I agree that Lexapro helps indirectly with sleep because it helps with anxiety. The annoying part i I don't think it really helped with anything. I think I hate anti depressants for myself, even though Zoloft has helped me in the past.

Once I poured my heart out to a psychiatrist for 2 hours, and at the end he gave me a script for Zoloft. Like any GP would have done. Lesson learned: never see someone who is the only shrink who has an opening. I'm rambling. I think they just pick a drug at random.

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kratom and anti depressants 4 years 6 months ago #6722

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I've been on Lexapro for depression, on and off, for the last six years. With the Kratom, I was able to stop the Lexapro during the spring and summer, totally. Then with the dark days of November, I started having symptoms again, and have to take a small maintenance dose. What the Kratom helps best with is the motivational aspect of depression. So I use both, at least in winter.

If you get off Lexapro, you are supposed to taper off. Ask your medical professional for advice.

In contrast to what MadMax said, I think that Lexapro does help with sleep, at least in my case. It's more subtle than taking a sleep aid drug. It seems it has to build up in your system.

I don't have experience with any of those other things you guys mention. I think the advice the other posters have given is sound- listen to your doctor, but do some research, too.
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kemppaulh@yahoo.com wrote: Laura: I've heard of people who have taken themselves of Lexapro and I believe Seroquel, too. But, to be sure, I'd go to the Facebook group, Kratom (New and Current Users), and ask there. Become a member. It's one of the biggest and best-run FB kratom groups.

Seroquel is a bad one for long-term use side-effects. I've done a little research on that.

I hope you find the answer you're looking for. You're making a wise move, I believe.


Yes, you're right about the Long Term Side Effects of Seroquel. If you're on it a long time & suddenly get off then it causes Bad Withdrawals. So you have to Slowly Taper Yourself Off.
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