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TOPIC: Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl?

Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 1 week ago #26856

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Hello all, I’m new here.. any advice on which strain is best for opiate withdrawl? Been on Oxycodone for 5 years on and off. Suboxone intermittently. Last few years weaned down off my doses of depakote, gabapentin (and lunesta for sleep) I also have been opiate free for a few months but last 2 weeks reused Oxys due to pain spike. My friend gave me red something or other maeng da Kratom. I had a rough night after trying 1 teaspoon. Am now drinking 2 teaspoons of it. Which strain is best for opiate withdrawl? I’m super stimulant sensitive, I just want relaxation and relief from withdrawl. Anyone care to assist with your knowledge? I’d really appreciate any help. Thank you, blessings.
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Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 1 week ago #26858

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Hello welcome to the forum,

I cannot suggest from personal experience of opiate withdrawal, they are many threads that go into details and offer advice. You can use the forum search to find topics.
I do have experience using kratom to help treat chronic pain. Relaxation and pain relief- I started with Red Borneo, Red Bali, Red Bentuangie, Red Thai. Red Maeng Da can be any red its just suggests its "premium" I found Maeng Da's to be more stimulating.
1 teaspoon is about 2 grams- 2.7 grams (best to invest in a scale so you can adjust your doses better)2 teaspoon is about 4 or more grams.

You need to find a good vendor, check here for reviews. Not recommended to use a smoke shop store.

You need to find your right dose. Since you have a history of oxy and sub. your dose is probably more on the higher side.

There is a lot of advice on strains and dosing in thread I hope it will help -

www.ilovekratom.com/forum/introduce-your...-advice#.Ws-RMYjwaUk
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Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 1 week ago #26859

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Reds are best for pain relief. They also have some sedating properties so some people like them for opiate withdrawal.

Whites are more stimulating...more like coffee.

Greens tend to be in the middle. They offer some pain relief but are not too stimulating or sedating.

The best way is to try different strains and keep notes about what works for you.

Use the vendor tab (at the top of the page) to find a list of vendors that are vetted by ILK. Most of them offer sample packs so you can order 4 different strains in small sizes to try them out. I would recommend starting with a ssmple pack of reds.
Red Borneo
Red Maeng Da
Red Bali
Red vein Thai
Red Horn
Red plantation

Not all vendors stock all strains so see what you can find.

Recommended starting dose is 2Gms. A tsp is slightly over 2 Gms. If you want to do this responsibly I suggest you invest in a scale that measures in mg.

If you are taking 2 tsp, then you are up to over 4 Gms as a dose of Kratom. You might want to put the brakes on that and keep it there as you find your way. It is really easy for the dose to gradually increase if you are not measuring precisely.

Oh...and if you are taking Kratom regularly you will want to pay attention to bowel function, as Kratom can make you VERY constipated. I think it is WORSE than opiates in slowing down the colon transit time. Do a search on this forum for a topic of "digestive issues" and you will find a good thread there for how to prevent constipation associated with Kratom use.

There is also a useful thread full of information if you search on "methadone" you should find it.

Best way to control pain (and synptoms of withdrawal) is to take smaller doses of Kratom regularly. This keeps the level of alkaloids in your blood on a even keel.

Everyone has to find their own "sweet spot" as far as dose, strains, and frequency goes and the ONLY way to do that is to make sure yo are getting GOOD kratom (use the vetted vendors here) and experiment.
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Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 1 week ago #26861

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With “super stimulant sensitivity”, any strain is going to touch that sensitivity. Not LASTING stimulation, but ANY STRAIN I TRY starts with stimulation effects even before bedtime with a sedating red.

Getting used to it might be too much with that sensitivity. I have said it here before. Kratom is not a first line of defense for those with anxiety!

For opiate withdrawal, it IS your best line of defense. But I have nothing to add that would be guaranteed not to further aggravate your extreme stimulant sensitivity. If true, you may need to try another tool. Kratom is related to the COFFEE PLANT and they are NOT unalike.
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Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 1 week ago #26896

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Welcome, Freelee!
As Bomalley wrote - frequent/regular dosing with good quality red Kratom is key.
I liked Red Bentuangie.
As Laurie stated, some of the reds were stimulating for me - and some did nothing. Stashed them to revisit. Things and people do change ....
Check out the Vendors here - I can personally rec Christopher's Organic Botanicals and Pharmacy Drop Out.
They may be able to advise you.
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Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 5 days ago #26931

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The effects of kratom are extremely personal. What works for one person may not work for you. I know people who take 2 grams and that is the max they can take. I know someone who cant get any effect unless they take 10 grams.

I have been using kratom for 10 years and I have always thought the differences between strains is extremely overblown. Part of that it is that a lot of the differences are for marketing purposes. For me, the main differences are how long they last and strength. The effect is the same, it is just some strains last longer and is stronger than others. A lot of people claim that some strains have a sedative effect. For me, all kratom is stimulating which is how I like it.

For a lot of people, white strains dont work. I am one of those people. You may be as well so I would stay away from them for now and maybe try one at another time. I have probably tried white strains from 30 vendors over the years and only one had any effect at all.

Traditionally, red strains are recommended for pain but I find red strains to have a shorter, weaker effect than MD, green strains, and others. Red Borneo/Bali (same thing) might be a good starting point but I will always recommend Green Malay and MD because I think they last the longest which means more for your money. But again, everyone is different.
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Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 5 days ago #26933

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Freelee wrote: Hello all, I’m new here.. any advice on which strain is best for opiate withdrawl? Been on Oxycodone for 5 years on and off. Suboxone intermittently. Last few years weaned down off my doses of depakote, gabapentin (and lunesta for sleep) I also have been opiate free for a few months but last 2 weeks reused Oxys due to pain spike. My friend gave me red something or other maeng da Kratom. I had a rough night after trying 1 teaspoon. Am now drinking 2 teaspoons of it. Which strain is best for opiate withdrawl? I’m super stimulant sensitive, I just want relaxation and relief from withdrawl. Anyone care to assist with your knowledge? I’d really appreciate any help. Thank you, blessings.


Also, please invest in a scale if you have sensitivities. The cut of kratom varies a wide range. It cannot be measured via volume.

A teaspoon can be anywhere from 2 grams to 8 grams. A tablespoon can be up to 13 grams. I ran an experiment on these years ago with several different strains from different vendors. If you have sensitivities, a digital scale is a must. Measuring with spoons is essentially worthless unless you are using the exact same batch from the exact same vendor. Once you change to another batch/vendor/strain, whatever you were using before goes out the window.
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Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 5 days ago #26940

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I have to wholeheartedly agree with you.. There are only 3 strains of Kratom...Red, White, and Green

Any other names attached to the strain is bascially branding.

Trying out different brands just allows you to find the best product for your needs. It does not mean that someone's product is BETTER than another because the response to Kratom is so individual.
The alkaloid profile in the M Speciosa leaf will vary from season to season and country to country. Growing conditions will affect the alkaloid profile, so it makes sense that differenct countries produce plants that have varying effects. It is not because it is a different strain it is just because the growing conditions were different.

Even if you buy your carrots from the same farm year after year, the nutritional profile is not exactly the same every year.

A teaspoon can be anywhere from 2 grams to 8 grams. A tablespoon can be up to 13 grams.


YUP...agree with you about measuring too. In my view it is the only way to make sure that you are not increasing the dose as tolerance develops....and if you use Kratom regularly, more than once per day..it will.
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Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 5 days ago #26942

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Very good advice on an interesting topic.
An accurate scale is a necessity.
Best,
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Advice on strain best for opiate withdrawl? 3 months 4 days ago #26951

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bomalley wrote: endlessly_curious

I have to wholeheartedly agree with you.. There are only 3 strains of Kratom...Red, White, and Green

Any other names attached to the strain is bascially branding.

Trying out different brands just allows you to find the best product for your needs. It does not mean that someone's product is BETTER than another because the response to Kratom is so individual.
The alkaloid profile in the M Speciosa leaf will vary from season to season and country to country. Growing conditions will affect the alkaloid profile, so it makes sense that differenct countries produce plants that have varying effects. It is not because it is a different strain it is just because the growing conditions were different.

Even if you buy your carrots from the same farm year after year, the nutritional profile is not exactly the same every year.




For the most part, I believe red, green, white, MD, and yellow are essentially the stains. But, I do find that, as long as the vendor is naming correctly, that Thai and Malay strains tend to last a little longer. I usually dont get many reds but the best plain leaf I have ever had was a Red Thai that came from a Tea and Herb store here in KC. Over the years, I have never found anything like it and that store had a fire and never opened back up.

So, on top of the color, I would say batches are important. You may get, for example, a Red Bali from a vendor that is top notch so you get more and the next order is poor.

I would suggest new people keep a log and they will notice trends. I also suggest mixing different strains not only from dose to dose but within each doses. I rarely take a dose that is just one strain.
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