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Has anyone here had Kratom WD & were you able to overcome it? 2 months 1 week ago #31672

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Hey everyone,

I'm new here and made a thread already and I can be long winded so I don't want to have to repeat too much of what I wrote in my other thread but I'll have to re-post some of it, so I'll mention what's necessary:

I started using Kratom 4 years ago at low doses (2 grams--3 times a day) but only one day a week and never had WD, then 2 days a week, still no WD, but when I got to 3 days a week I started getting some fatigue, and at 4 it got worse.

I never wanted to become dependent and would never let myself use more than 4 days a week thinking that would be good enough, but hadn't realized the problem with escalating dose and tolerance, and eventually was up to 16 grams a dose and 2 ounces a day, but still only taking it 3 days a week. The lethargy and fatigue became too much and I had to stop, wishing I didn't, but having no choice.

I stopped 3 months thinking it would lower my tolerance, and it didn't effect my tolerance AT ALL.

Went back to using, it got worse.

I said i'd stop permanently, but after a 10 month break I wanted to use it again because it lifts my mood so much and makes it feel like i have no anxiety or depression (both issues I have).

My tolerance was back to 2 grams, and I said I wouldn't escalate doses, but I did.

Again, first 2-3 months only very little WD at 3 days a week, but more and more showed up as my tolerance escalated and I should have had the willpower to use lower doses.

Now it's unmanagable again, and I sleep 12 hours a night on the days I don't dose and wake up having no energy like I have a cold, feeling depressed and with a runny nose.

Some people seem to act like these effects can't happen though...

I do not want to quit Kratom, but it seems I have no choice but to temporarily stop, and I don't know if it's necesarily possible given my dosing trends to solve this issue and keep Kratom in my life, which I REALLY want to.

<strong>I do not want to use it daily as I know WD gets worse, and so I refuse to go that route, and that means if there are any WD effects I will feel them on the off days.</strong>

I want Kratom to stay legal, I donate money, but different forums speak of Kratom differently. Some are more "Kratom for partying" forums, others more "Kratom for medicine" forums, and then you do have the "Quitting Kratom" forum on Reddit which really does admit to the negative WD effects this otherwise wonderful plant can have.


I DO believe Kratom is SAFE, in so far as I do not think it can really hurt someone physically, but I know first hand it can have some unpleasant WD effects, and yet, in browsing this forum, I have yet to see anyone mention that they themselves have had Withdrawal.

<strong>I would like to speak to anyone on here who has in fact, had Kratom WD, knows that over use can cause it, and perhaps has found any ways around experiencing that withdrawal WITHOUT taking it daily or completely quitting either, and only using like 2-3 days a week.</strong>

<strong>I have considered but not tried: potentiators and strain rotation.
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Perhaps they could work for me.

I mean, with this pattern being the same both times, I wonder if I can solve this issue by learning more about the plant itself and how to use it more responsibly.

<strong>If it's been fine before at lower doses during the 1st couple months it would stand to reason that IF I could stick to the lower doses I could keep it in my life, but history does tend to repeat itself and unless things like potentiators, strain rotation or strategies for lowering tolerance or beating WD can work, I don't know if I can keep taking it.</strong>

<strong>So if anyone here has experienced unpleasant Kratom WD and figured out how to take it a couple days a week and avoid it by changing something around, please let me know what you did to achieve this.</strong>

Thanks.
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Has anyone here had Kratom WD & were you able to overcome it? 2 months 6 days ago #31695

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Afternoon naps for 2 days after 1 1/2 yrs was all that was necessary for me after 3-4x a day.
The mind is an amazing and powerful thing, it has as much power as you give it!

less is more, not the other way around, with Kratom, there are many other alternative things as well.....
humans can be addicted to anything.....if they have a strong enough belief behind it.
Look at sugar for example.....or products or items made with some form of corn
i could go on....but i will stop.
rest is what helped me, take a bit of time for yourself, especially when stopping, of which, 2 weeks with none is whats needed to renew the body

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Addiction has a way of rationalizing the substance of choice.

Rational lies.

I am in recovery and addiction will always be part of my story. Fortunately I am not addicted to kratom. But there is NO JUDGMENT HERE about it. NO STIGMA, NO LIES.

I am still spinning out from quitting nicotine 3 MONTHS AGO!

Hang in there!
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Has anyone here had Kratom WD & were you able to overcome it? 2 months 6 days ago #31709

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Insense1 wrote: Afternoon naps for 2 days after 1 1/2 yrs was all that was necessary for me after 3-4x a day.
The mind is an amazing and powerful thing, it has as much power as you give it!

less is more, not the other way around, with Kratom, there are many other alternative things as well.....
humans can be addicted to anything.....if they have a strong enough belief behind it.
Look at sugar for example.....or products or items made with some form of corn
i could go on....but i will stop.
rest is what helped me, take a bit of time for yourself, especially when stopping, of which, 2 weeks with none is whats needed to renew the body

We are bringing other alternatives soon at:

www.goldleafbotanicals.net (Wild)
&
www.insensebotanicals.com (Our Regular Awesome Kratom)

We import straight from Indonesia....no middle men.

Thanks for being a part of todays Solution

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Thank you I of course agree with everything you are saying.

I just heard that Kratom will be banned in Ohio and that horribly misinformed (words I don't know if I can say haha) Scott Gottlieb is trying to make it illegal in all 50 states.

I've donated and called my county legislator before, and I really hope it stays legal but fear it may not, even more for those who REALLY need it for chronic pain, but that's a whole different story.

Yes, anything can cause addiction, only certain things can cause physical dependence, but that being said, Kratom is mild in regards to so many things which are legal or at least prescribed, least of all nicotine which is more addictive than Heroin.

My WD is over now in 4 days, it's really just a matter of how I lose more than those 4 days once I escalate my dose because I'm usually not willing to admit to myself it's become an issue again for months because I am actually good at staving off most WD for several months in a row.

If I were to simple stop the second I notice any at all I'd have no issue and I love Kratom.

What other alternatives do you have to Kratom that are mood lifting in any way?
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Has anyone here had Kratom WD & were you able to overcome it? 2 months 6 days ago #31710

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Laurie wrote: Addiction has a way of rationalizing the substance of choice.

Rational lies.

I am in recovery and addiction will always be part of my story. Fortunately I am not addicted to kratom. But there is NO JUDGMENT HERE about it. NO STIGMA, NO LIES.

I am still spinning out from quitting nicotine 3 MONTHS AGO!

Hang in there!



Yeah it's true, but I hate that they are trying to make it illegal because of a few side effects and claiming it kills people and hope the FDA and DEA fail, but that's another story.

I end up being fine for a few months without much WD till I escalate and it begins and the process starts over again.

It helps so much for my anxiety and depression that my quality of life would probably improve TEMPORARILY if I took it every day, but sooner or later (especially if the government gets their way), SOMETHING would happen and I'd have to stop, and I could have WD lasting longer from the amount I'd probably use so I will not go down that route.

I always go through cycles of different kinds with different things in my life and I've done this before.

Now I'll give most of it to a friend and keep only a small amount locked away which I can discard if need be but would rather not and will use the bare minimum, if any at all, for as long as possible, without really saying I'm quitting and not saying that I'm not quitting.

There should never be judgment regardless IMO of ANY use or misuse of ANY substance.

I actually believe in a complete end to the war on drugs and decriminalization of all drugs so long as one is an adult in their home not driving a car.

Some people would think that's crazy when it comes to the harder substances that I would never use (no need to name the usual suspects...) but really, what good does imprisoning people do?

None.

People should be able to put in their bodies what they want.

I believe it should actually be a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

But it never will be.

We who choose to use ANYTHING and suffer ANY negative consequences have only ourselves to blame, not the inanimate objects themselves (whether they are substances or not, a car for example...) which always have BOTH positive and negative uses.

It's easiest to claim "the drug did this or that to me" not "I made the choice to partake".

That said, I still love Kratom, and most likely I'll just stop for a long time, then ocassionally use a little, and if I run into more issues give the rest to my friend as well.

Thanks.
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Has anyone here had Kratom WD & were you able to overcome it? 2 months 5 days ago #31733

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I agree 100% if there is one thing that has made me a libertarian it is the arbitrary power exercised by the FDA and DEA to ban Kratom. Unfortunately, we live in a society where everyone shouts for the government to “do something!” whenever there is an alleged crisis. Not to mention the paternalistic attitudes of the government regulators making decisions for us uneducated people. Are there stupid and uneducated people who cause problems? Yep, thats obvious. But, just like in grade school, when one idiot does something stupid the whole class has to suffer. I could go on and on about the good idea fairies in the government and the ignorant mob that goes along with it.

As far as Kratom is concerned, I am in the process of tapering down. Admittedly it is a challenge and I feel much the same sentiments you have expressed. Yet, it is still MY RESPONSIBILITY and no one else’s. Let me pay for my own decisions. At the very least, give me the LIBERTY to make those decisions.

I am quitting Kratom, as much as I like it, because I am so tired of the volatile market, the costs, and the fear of the withdrawals if something were to happen to the availability. I do struggle with the physical dependence, not just on Kratom, but many other medications and nicotine lozenges. Now, let me say, I have to have these medications to control chronic neuropathic pain from combat wounds. I have always feared what might happen if the shit hit the fan and America collapsed, but that’s another story and I don’t see that happening realistically.

I just started 1/2 stem and vein and 1/2 plain powder, so hopefully it will help me have a relatively comfortable taper. I work, like everyone else and have a family so I cannot really budget out time to do CT, not to mention I dont want to go that route.
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Has anyone here had Kratom WD & were you able to overcome it? 2 months 5 days ago #31734

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Hopefully you’ve got a good stem n vein to use exclusively as you taper. Thanks for posting on this.

EDIT: please consider posting as you wean. Many folks here are interested in how that works (even tho it’s different for everyone) and how you’re doing along the way. Especially while working!

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Has anyone here had Kratom WD & were you able to overcome it? 2 months 4 days ago #31748

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Yeah, the thing is, I'm already over the WD and it was only bad for 2 days and mild for another 2 but that is because I never allow myself to use more than 3 days a week.

The problem is, it's never really only those few days a week I lose because what has happened both times since I really got into Kratom (for the first year I really did not have WD because I was afraid to use it more than once or twice a week)...is that I don't have WD at first, sometimes very little for the first couple months when I am only using low doses a few days a week, but over time I slip up and keep raising the dose to get the magic back, and little by little WD begins and I start becoming more tired so slowly on the off days that I'm either not fully physcially or psychologically able to recognize that I am in WD.

Inevitably, I am able to keep my job, but I won't have enough energy for physical therapy work outs that I need to do for my neck and knees for old injuries from martial arts for days and then even weeks on end.

It's not some HORRIBLE thing, but it results in a few days of serious lethargy for every time I go overboard, and before I know it just keeps adding up and adding up and it's out of hand.

If I was just able to freaking stick with doses at least below like 8 grams max or so, I totally COULD dose 2-3 times a day like 2 days a week (not in a row and not 3 either, I think that's been too much) and stave off the WD, and I know it cause I've done it before early on in my usage when I was truly afraid of getting WD and had heard some bad stories about it, but it's the psychological urge you know?

A guy on Reddit really said it best: sure, it IS possible physically to use infrequently enough to really not get much WD, but resisting the urge to take extra or on extra days is hard and you come to look forward to those 2-3 days a week as what you assume will inevitably be the best days of the week for you simply because you know you are going to take some, and that becomes an issue psychologically.

Kratom really is quite a benign herb, and I have taken massive enough amounts that if it could hurt someone I would have known, and never had more than 5 days of WD, and only 3 were bad.

It's more a lifestyle question for me and a psychological question: how many days am I willing to be less productive due to lethargy on the off days and can I really maintain those low doses indefnitely?

Now it's been 5 days and my energy is back, working out, not wanting to take any, and this is typical of the first days after really coming to the conclusion I need to cut back and always is, not only after using Kratom too much but binging with certain other substances I don't need to mention (nothing too bad...)

It's like, first you don't really want it and feel great to have more energy and be more productive, and I can actually be like that for MONTHS, but sooner or later, after I've really been productive and energetic without it for a few months, I suddenly get bored and think "you know, it's been a long time, I'm fine", then I will start again, and once again, I am able to actually keep doses low enough for a few months not to really have much or any significant WD and be in that target sweet spot to use it and still be productive on the off days, but only for a little while before it creeps up again and I'm missing my workouts, sleeping too much, not getting as much done on the off days.

Then I stop again and the cycle continues...at least these past 2 times.

Can I find a way to truly stay in that more moderate area I start off at in a few months when my tolerance goes down?

I really don't know.

I think one of the issues is telling myself that when I use I am going to use on a weekly basis as often as I think I can without getting WD.

If, say, I told myself I was NOT going to use on a weekly basis, like two days a week one week but not at all the next, maybe I'd have more success.

I also have a K-Safe that locks for 1 mins to 10 days at a time, and while it can be broken, I never have, and maybe if I had had it before and used it next time early on to lock up my Kratom at 4 hour intervals after dosing so I cant get in to take more until it wears off (hence not raising my tolerance), then perhaps I could just use some potentiators and never let my daily amount get so high that I get back to being in WD again.

Others would either give in to daily use and get totally dependent or quit completely.

Both of those are easier options than moderation and using just a couple days a week, but it is what it is.

For now I'm giving most to my friend and just keep a little around locked up and going for a long break of an indeterminate length without saying I'm quitting and without saying I'm not.

But like the last poster said, it's US who are to blame if we use something too much and suffer any issues.

That's what I HATE about the failed war on drugs: it's always about "the drugs MAKE people do this or that" or "that's a gateway drug and LEADS to harder stuff!! (if we are speaking of cannabis lets say).

Nothing "leads" to anything else.

People make choices and that's all there is.

Let people do what they want so long as they aren't hurting others.

Anyways, rant over lol.

For now I should be good abstaining I think, until who knows when and then we'll see what I do...
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