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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 2 days ago #32706

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Hey. I know I'm not the only one freaking out here. Do people here really think this is it and that Kratom will be illegal in the U.S. now? And if so, how long do you think we have? Do you guys think they can just schedule it without congress? I mean doesn't congress have to vote?!! How can they just do this? Or do you guys think this scare might not be any worse than the others?? Is there anything we can do to stop the FDA/DEA?? This is BEYOND immoral!!!
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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 1 day ago #32717

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First off, I'm with you. This is all insane.

Second, I love the AKA....but they have become "The Boy Who Cried Wolf." I can appreciate the need for money, but often times the perception in their emails is they are using scare tactics to drum up the dough. I never know when it's really time and when it's not.

Thirdly, why is the FDA allegedly halting shipments at port AND trying to Schedule it at the same time? Which is it? What are they going for here? Or - ahem - is one of them really just a stretch of the truth?

Fourthly, Scheduling it is the most insane thing about all of this. Alcohol is dangerous, it's legal. The most Kratom can do is give you nausea. It's all about money. For once I wish a TV program would tell the TRUTH. The Dr. Oz episode was disgusting.
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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 1 day ago #32722

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I don’t know much. I know the borders are slowed to INSPECT for illegal drugs hidden in kratom shipments. That’s the bottleneck (no legal mention to seize freight). Product will just take a bit longer, so buy accordingly, but not for YEARS. Adjust your ordering by buying more when it's in stock so you don’t run out. Not a bad time to do some scavenging for new things you’ve been meaning to try! Add something you’ve been meaning to try!?

AKA needs tons of cash to pay for lobbyists in multiple states simultaneously - so DONATE DONATE DONATE for this big pharma specialty. Stall tactics because their latest opiate replacement is way too strong. So they gotta go to Plan B - anything but what The People know already helps.

I haven’t slept in 24 hrs, so anyone can jump in here and clarify and or correct what I thought I understood based on reading all night.
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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 1 day ago #32725

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No, this is NOT the end of the line for kratom, unless we all were to give up and believe that it is. There are millions of us who owe our quality of life -- or even our life, itself -- to this plant, and most are planning to FIGHT, not give up, not even worry.

Our government has been badly mismanaged for many years and this is just one more example of one powerful industry using bureaucrats like Gottlieb to harass other newcomers that have a better product. That shouldn't be allowed to happen -- and we are the ones to put a stop to it.

The AKA has legitimate ongoing expenses and they have just increased, due to the FDA's intensified disinformation campaign to try to get states and even individual cities to ban kratom. They are trying to run our very effective AKA out of money -- even while they may be cutting our supply (which allows our vendors to donate, if they can still sell product).

To wait until "this is IT" -- some mythical ultimate battle for legality --to donate is missing the point. The need for funding to fight this important battle for our future is real.

I was a founding Board member of the AKA and still support their efforts as our best way to win our freedom to have and consume this plant. If finances are an obstacle, I'd suggest -- if you can't donate to the AKA, at least buy from Vendors who DO donate.

Don't even think in terms of losing. Get mad and determine to do all you can to KEEP what should rightfully be yours: Your freedom to decide what you consume to support your health & wellbeing.
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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 1 day ago #32726

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Yeah "when it's time" was a poor choice of words on my part. What I meant was, the emails and announcements are sometimes worded in a doomsday-manner, and that's where the "Is this the end of the line for Kratom" ILK forum posts are derived from. (No offense, Inaramshead)

I have nothing against the AKA. We are blessed to have them and I do donate.
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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 1 day ago #32728

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Philly: I know what you mean. This alert from AKA does sound like Susan Ash's old style of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater. It does have a panic-inducing flavor to it and I don't think it's necessary, but maybe they find it effective overall.

I'm sure appeals like that turn many people off. I'd like to see some "Angel Investors" who see the potential of this industry to be HUGE if we can just survive the low blows of the FDA. We're attracting some good folks who might have connections to that kind of money.

I hate the FDA more each day, but I channel it into working to see them crushed, beaten -- and with them, Big Pharma de-throned.

Thanks for supporting the AKA. I believe they're the leadership we need and our best hope.
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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 1 day ago #32729

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I agree we all need to donate.

I donate $3.95 every month to change.org, have donated more in the past, always send in my e-signature every time I can, and once called my representative and will probably donate more.

But here are my questions: 1) you don't think the FDA can so completely cut off shipping that no one can get it?

2) do you actually believe it will be scheduled, especially SOON like some of these articles say?

What about the ones that say the DEA WILL rule on this very soon and that it WILL be scheduled??

Do you think that is misinformation?

Why would it be worded so strongly as if this is a matter of fact?
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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 1 day ago #32731

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kemppaulh wrote: No, this is NOT the end of the line for kratom, unless we all were to give up and believe that it is. There are millions of us who owe our quality of life -- or even our life, itself -- to this plant, and most are planning to FIGHT, not give up, not even worry.

Our government has been badly mismanaged for many years and this is just one more example of one powerful industry using bureaucrats like Gottlieb to harass other newcomers that have a better product. That shouldn't be allowed to happen -- and we are the ones to put a stop to it.

The AKA has legitimate ongoing expenses and they have just increased, due to the FDA's intensified disinformation campaign to try to get states and even individual cities to ban kratom. They are trying to run our very effective AKA out of money -- even while they may be cutting our supply (which allows our vendors to donate, if they can still sell product).

To wait until "this is IT" -- some mythical ultimate battle for legality --to donate is missing the point. The need for funding to fight this important battle for our future is real.

I was a founding Board member of the AKA and still support their efforts as our best way to win our freedom to have and consume this plant. If finances are an obstacle, I'd suggest -- if you can't donate to the AKA, at least buy from Vendors who DO donate.

Don't even think in terms of losing. Get mad and determine to do all you can to KEEP what should rightfully be yours: Your freedom to decide what you consume to support your health & wellbeing.


I mean, while this post is a great rally cry for not giving up, is there anything concrete that makes you think Kratom isn't really close to being scheduled?

And I keep getting into this debate on other forums as to whether or not the DEA and FDA can simply ban substances without congress, and while it seems like it shouldn't be possible to me, other people keep insisting that YES, the DEA can and probably will very easily schedule Kratom without much if any interference from Congress and that all the signatures we've given and money we have donated will not mean anything at all if the DEA and FDA get together and make a firm decision that they want to ban it.

Do you think this is true??

Doesn't this have to be put to a serious vote before a law like this can be passed to schedule a substance?

Or can the DEA just schedule it if they feel like it?
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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 14 hours ago #32743

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I've been wondering about this too, because I keep seeing recent articles about kratom possibly being banned, and how the shipments to the US are being stopped, etc. For me personally it wouldn't be the end of the world if it gets banned. Because I just use it to help a little with my ADD, and it gives a nice mood boost along with anti-anxiety. And I just take 2 low doses a day, so it would be pretty easy to get off of it. But I know for some people it would be a huge blow if it gets banned, especially for ones who use it for pain management.
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Is this the end of the line for Kratom? 1 month 9 hours ago #32746

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Hello halo, for me personally it would be just that,, a huge ruffle in the quality of my life as I do use for pain management/ depression & anxiety. I am very concerned by how the government that is supposed to be democratic but in actuality is a dictatorship , can have the power to take away a benign plant that helps with a myriad of ailments. ?... cause this is definitely a dictating power over our rights to have the access to herbs/plants that increase our health ...I can’t quite face the possibility of this happening, I know what my quality of life will be like if I no longer have access to Kratom... bleak!! Akuamma is nice but not consistent in potency and just does not do what Kratom can ..., so I am concerned to say the least and I am just running on optimism that this will not happen. That this will not HAPPEN!! I’m a believer in positive and collective thinking/ manifesting, however everyone who uses and benefits from Kratom needs to do the active part in helping this plant remain legal, when asked to write to congress by the AKA.. PLEASE DO IT!! This matters more than one might think, our voices need to be heard. And we “quality of life” enthusiasts that count on the help of safe and effective herbs such as kratom can’t let this happen



Is there nothing other than donating to the AKA for their efforts in making this not happen? We the people have to have some clout over this !!!!!!!!!!!

There has to be a way to prevent this ..??

I feel very strong about this issue as you might have already ascertained ...

Let’s not stand down, we need to stand up crack the code on this issue , ... that said I dont really know where to put my energy to make the biggest difference in preventing this from happening ,

It’s kind of like finding a treatment for a disease in a rare forest and then clear cutting the whole forest down to make way for a Walmart !!! Damn , I just can’t bare to see this happen !!!
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