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i had to cut my friend off from my kratom supply 3 weeks 6 days ago #32818

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Cut my friend off of my kratom supply
i'm gonna try to bullet point this.

-me and friend are both former addicts to opiates
-I initially told friend about kratom and its many uses and how it has helped me be productive but also describe the possible negative effects and how it can still be addicting to some people, but it is a better choice than harder drugs.
-friend is absolutely ignorant and staunch on his stance on kratom. I shrug and keep it moving.
-one day me and another friend are talking about kratom. the ignorant friend asks to try some.
-i'm taken aback because of how arrogant he was before, but give him a dose to prove him wrong on his prejudices.
-he obviously loves the kratom. starts asking me for some kratom all the time now.
-After giving him only two doses, I cut him off because I see he has gone full addict and i'm supplying him.
-I told him to do his own research (he doesn't think there is anything to research about it even though there is eg. types & colors, reputable vendors, dosages, limits and consequences) and buy his own because I don't want to feed his addiction. I also feel like an asshole for giving him that first dose to "prove him wrong" (all my ego's fault) which i ended up doing and this is the outcome.
-I had plenty of relapses to opiates and other drugs, but kratom is truly therapeutic for me because I've had no urge to do anything else, ESPECIALLY hard opiates. My friend seems like he is just doing it to get high without any other justification, and that's fine, but I don't want to supply him because of that and because of how ignorant he was about it and still chooses to be. I feel like he doesn't respect kratom (corny i know) and he is just as ignorant about it as he was when he was against it. It kind of made me mad to see him swing from talking down on it to annoyingly asking me for it every day even when I TOLD him several times that i'm not going to supply him.
-I also found out that he has bought some but gave it to a friend to hold because he doesn't trust himself. If that's not addiction, I don't know what is.

what are your thoughts on this situation?
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i had to cut my friend off from my kratom supply 3 weeks 6 days ago #32822

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Addiction is such an unfair, awful disease. Like other diseases, it’s progressive and quite potentially fatal.

Congratulations on getting off the opiates! I’m also still recovering from addiction and I’m conflicted about my kratom use. Except. For whatever reason, I don’t try to abuse it. Don’t even know how to.

Definitely try to be kind BUT FIRM with denying your friend access to it. But the friend needs safety in friends or he could do something drastic. The holidays are extremely challenging for everyone, and a billion times more difficult for those with this disease (not to minimize other awful diseases).

I would try to be a good friend and keep an eye on your friend.

There are marathon “Anonymous” meetings all over the globe, and some local ones may very well be having marathon meetings. Some I like are starting at 6PM Wed night and every hour through midnight on Thanksgiving to make sure everyone has a safe place to ride out the holiday demons in our brains. Food shows up, people come and go and it’s VERY COOL and FUN!

Try to remember we have a disease. I also catch myself judging other people. Stigma catches on and gets out of hand. Your friend is not likely wishing to be a pain in the as$. His disease is driving him to destructive behavior. Hopefully you’ll keep us posted on you both over the holiday.

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i had to cut my friend off from my kratom supply 3 weeks 6 days ago #32828

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My thought are that this situation proves that the factors underlying addiction lie within the individual, NOT the substance.

While chemical dependency may be related to genetic factors and other body chemistry, (making some people more prone to dependency than others) addiction usually stem from psychosocial factors.
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i had to cut my friend off from my kratom supply 3 weeks 5 days ago #32863

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Laurie wrote: Addiction is such an unfair, awful disease. Like other diseases, it’s progressive and quite potentially fatal.

Congratulations on getting off the opiates! I’m also still recovering from addiction and I’m conflicted about my kratom use. Except. For whatever reason, I don’t try to abuse it. Don’t even know how to.

Definitely try to be kind BUT FIRM with denying your friend access to it. But the friend needs safety in friends or he could do something drastic. The holidays are extremely challenging for everyone, and a billion times more difficult for those with this disease (not to minimize other awful diseases).

I would try to be a good friend and keep an eye on your friend.

There are marathon “Anonymous” meetings all over the globe, and some local ones may very well be having marathon meetings. Some I like are starting at 6PM Wed night and every hour through midnight on Thanksgiving to make sure everyone has a safe place to ride out the holiday demons in our brains. Food shows up, people come and go and it’s VERY COOL and FUN!

Try to remember we have a disease. I also catch myself judging other people. Stigma catches on and gets out of hand. Your friend is not likely wishing to be a pain in the as$. His disease is driving him to destructive behavior. Hopefully you’ll keep us posted on you both over the holiday.

I'm very familiar with those marathon meetings!

I'm trying to have empathy for him which I do have, but he makes it hard sometimes by not owning up to his own behavior and going behind my back to tell my friends is my fault (lack of accountability and the disease speaking itself). I hope he gets it together.
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i had to cut my friend off from my kratom supply 3 weeks 5 days ago #32865

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I wholeheartedly believe in this saying,

No good deed goes unpunished


With Kratom its safe. Ultimately your friend is responsible for himself.
Even if he now brought in another friend-

-I also found out that he has bought some but gave it to a friend to hold because he doesn't trust himself.

This friend is going to also learn no good deed goes unpunished.

After a while this saying seems too appropriate

It is what it is

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