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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35358

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I think the problem lies in your getting euphoria when some of us get a honeymoon high (one time per lifetime, I’m finding) of about 3 weeks at the very start, but we move to tolerance and pain relief.

The only way to MAYBE get that “euphoric” honeymoon phase is completely quit. For a good while. Maybe a month is enough. I’ve never heard of anyone getting that AGAIN.

The purpose for most of us is pain relief and we have tolerance (like I just took my 2 tsps and I feel “better”, but not “euphoric”). I definitely don’t feel like taking MORE, which I certainly did with opiates. Kratom has been a wonderful opiate deterrent for me because it renders them useless in my brain. Unless I take A LOT.

You can teach US a lot because I am hearing there are now kratom “jonesers” in the streets and I’m not kidding. I had NO IDEA what the reason for it is, but you’ve touched on a potential problem with the reason people are concerned in the general public.

Please expand on your situation because it needs to be shared if it’s a possible addiction issue right out of the gate.

I know there are people who use 80 grams a day and it’s not enough and they are having serious health consequences and can’t seem to stop. I’m glad you mentioned what you’re experiencing, Skisouthtahoe.

If you’re willing to share, can you tell how you got from minor symptom use to this very concerning issue you have now? And how do you GET euphoric after the honeymoon phase is over?

I’m sorry to ask publicly, but your username is anonymous...
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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35360

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And the less is more part, to answer your question, is from our experience (so far), more causes sedation. Still MORE causes vomiting.

Whereas, if I take, say 3 TEAspoons, I’ll get the wobbles where I feel sort of uncoordinated and sleepy, so I stick with the 2.

I’ve taken up to 4 TEAspoons one time because I was desperate for sleep. Instead I was up all night without the wobbles, but very hyper, mentally.

Perhaps there’s an issue in that I found that feeling frustrating and unproductive and don’t go there again. But could be that it’s making some people ENJOY THE RIDE and I’d appreciate knowing that’s a pleasant experience for some.

I have said this product is safe for use in small doses, but there is the tolerance issue as well. When I’ve used extract, then I need to use more powder for basic pain relief.

So there are variables in here where I have no business encouraging use if it’s truly getting people high and in a “pickle”.

I don’t want to quit using it, either. But I have and it’s been a bit uncomfortable at first and then I miss it like I miss nicotine STILL (I quit vaping in September). But I’m not outright scared. I WAS very frightened of quitting when I first used it as a tool to stay off of opiates. I have 3 huge bags of white vein from that time.

Now I worry about how to replace it for pain management.

So I see there’s room in there for problems and I appreciate your being honest.

How do you get euphoric NOW, and how long have you been using it?
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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35364

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Thanks for responding! First, maybe I didn’t elaborate but the “jonesing” part for me is strictly physical, it’s withdrawal between doses. My reasons have changed. Three years ago I started it post-surgically as a tool to Limit the need for opiates, then I noticed it helped with RLS and/or gave me a sense of well being. Now I suppose my reason, if I need a reason other than recreational, is sciatic pain which has been really bad lately. It has been my friend for the most part, I’m a daily user of 3 years, and I’ve cut my dose significantly because over 24 gpd or so mornings were tough, the RLS became worse. So I had to get honest with myself. At one point I might have been doing as much as 40 gpd. I’m pleased to have brought it down to a “reasonable” point. My attitude about this i suppose is one of “entitlement” (I’m almost 62 and have a long experiences with antidepressants, opiates, suboxone). I don’t care that I’m physically dependent.
It’s no different than being physically dependent on Lexapro. I tried weaning that one and no way in hell would I do it again. I have to admit the kratom taper has been really hard and I think my body is still adjusting to the lower dose. So is kratom making my life better? Today I’m not sure. And today I don’t want to quit. None of this probably makes any sense, lol.
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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35367

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I get it now. But where did the “euphoria” come into play in all this?

Otherwise, I’m about where you are with a less difficult road GETTING here.

I also don’t want to cut my dose back. And I’m not ALWAYS in pain. That’s the fun part. I can participate. It’s still a struggle for me and that’s why I’m trying the old western way with Wellbutrin now.

First week is no time to come to conclusions. I feel better so I figure this will pass as tolerance sets in and I’m stuck with life on life’s terms.
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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35368

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I don’t know what is considered low, everyone has a different opinion on low/moderate/high. A rule of thumb of low might be 12-14 grams per day I suppose? I haven’t found it yet but there might be a guideline somewhere. Everyone here is really nice and someone might be able to give you a good answer. All i am saying is be careful. I got pretty reckless for awhile simply because I acquired a taste for it, like in my drinking days when martinis tasted yuck at first then after awhile they slide down, lol. But that’s just me!
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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35369

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Thanks for sharing that because we are ALL so unique so too much for one person may not be for someone else. Very fuzzy....

12-14 grams sounds low. IF it’s good quality product. LOL
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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35374

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we find something that helps us with symptoms, we enjoy it, then it gets to fall into a rhythm of excess.. thisbfeels good .. so higher doses and more times times a day will feel twice as good .. and so on , but the reality that Kratom enthusiasts find out eventually that the less you take you feel the benefits more, the more you take , you feel less of those effects we used to experience in the beginning of Kratom use. But we really want those beginning effects and chase it by the rational of “if I take more ill get there again”... but from my experience and hearing about others it just works best to keep it to the lowest dose to get relief or beneficial effects, spaced out by as many hours as your needs allows .. I try to go at least 4 hrs between dosing, sometimes but not very often, 5-6 hrs ...

I know I’m preaching to the choir... but might not seem obvious to some Kratom fans and knowing this can avoid tolerance issues in the future ..

I take approximately 20-30 grams a day ... all depends on my activities and potency/ strains I’m using.

I’ve had really great success with Kratom helping ease my symptoms..it doesn’t cure but sure does provide relief ,

We all need to be aware of the good, the bad and the ugly of Kratom , for me it’s been good, good , good ... woa , watch out for tolerance

Everyone’s miles will vary, be smart, try not to fall in the tolerance trap ... I’m very guilty of this , all said and done , Kratom is bad ass awesome but needs to be used with respect and healthy intentions, or it can bite you a little.. just like most things in life
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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35382

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The quality of the Kratom you are taking has everything to do with how big or small your dosage needs to be in order for it to be effective. Try not to think of it as how many grams you are using. This can change daily and weekly.
As long as your body is working properly, i.e. (your not getting sick, Head aches, throwing up. dehydrated,) then you can increase or reduce your dose based on the quality of Kratom.

For example. If I only have a single strain to work with it will take a lot more to feel the Kratom.
If I have several strains to work with. I can rotate and avoid tolerance issues. If I have a lot of Colors and strains to work with then I can keep my dosage in a certain range while still receiving a lot of the benefits of Kratom.

If you want to use Kratom daily then it will take work and effort to get continued results. You will need to order quality Kratom from different vendors and sourcing different strains and colors to avoid tolerance.

By having several different vendors Kratom on hand and ordering a lot of different strains and colors you can rotate and mix up your Kratom routine on a daily basis and you will see the results.

This is why I avoid buying large quantities of any one strain. I keep my orders between 25-128 grams per strain or color. I have been getting good results with this method.

Variety and quality of Kratom is important to avoid tolerance issues.
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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35383

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Just for the sake of lurkers reading this post there are low dosers of Kratom. I manage spinal arthritis with 1.7 grams of green for the day and switch to 2.4 red for the night. I never dosed more than 6 grams in one day.
I measure and weigh each dose and do not increase. This has been over a year of kratom use. I supplement break through pain with incarvillea sinensis, Chuchuhuasi, and now Corydalis.(kava surprisingly also has pain relief ) I at least take kratom once per day for over a year now.
I recently had blood work done and everything was at normal text book levels.

Kratom is unique to each individual I would take whatever amount that allowed me to function and stay healthy which it has been doing for me.

The most important thing I learned from the the kratom journey is that I was in denial, I was not dealing with my anxiety levels, managing anxiety has been as important as managing my pain levels.
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Am I on the right track? 2 months 2 weeks ago #35386

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Someone said it perfectly, basically is it very subjective. A 'low dose' for me would be different for you. Like they said already, as long as it is improving your life, then great! EVERYTHING has the potential for abuse. EVERYTHING. "All things in moderation". I started out small like most, and went too heavy, and the past few months cut down greatly, and now I use a much smaller amount that previously. thanks in a large part to a lot of people here. It is very dependent. Just keep an eye on it, a record is absolutely necessary, imo. This way you can keep track of how much you take, and what your current mood is. At least that is what I do. This way I can discover when I take more, and when I take less, etc. Very dependent on whats going on in my life atm, how much I might hurt, etc, and this I can simply go back and look. Keep us updated!
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