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Morning funny... 1 year 2 months ago #37361

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Bomalley- I looked at some stuff to refresh my memory and to remind myself why I dismissed it.

Read about the vibrational thing here.

www.deitycentral.com/about-miasms

First question that comes to mind if we are talking about water or some other carrier or medium is : why doesn't the water take on the vibrational characteristics of everything it comes in contact with ?

I'm guessing at this point, most of the water on the planet has been through the cells (plant or animal) or at least the digestive tract of something. If it picks up the frequency of the substance from one thing, why not everything ?
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My point being, what in your opinion is the mechanism that would allow this do anything besides a placebo effect ? .


I doubt that whatever homeopathy is doing can be explained in chemical terms because as you point out it is so dilute that there is no trace of the actual chemical in there.


I think perhaps it COULD be explained (AND it probably will be explained in the future) using quantum physics theory.

My own sense is that it is vibrational. Every set of symptoms would have a unique vibration and when the remedy's vibration (or electromagnetic field) matches that EXACTLY, then you get the "cure".

While vaccination is often used to illustrate this effect it is nothing like that. A vaccination stimulates an antibody response...that is all.

Homeopathic remedies are NOT antigens and the intent is not to stimulate an immune response but rather a healing response.

In homeopathy the word "miasm" is used to describe an underlying susceptibility or constitution (probably genetic). It has nothing to do with "vapors". Treatment at the miasmic level requires expertise.

www.homeopathycenter.org/homeopathy-today/thought-...ora-syphilis-sycosis

So just as an example I probably was born with a tubercular miasm (just describing the way my body reacts and its susceptibility) thanks to my father. Then when I went into nursing I was given a tuberculosis vaccine. This actually strengthened the miasm (or strengthened the electromagnetic field) and led to all kinds of long term health problems. It wasn't until I got some homeopathic treatment with a homeopathic tuberculinum remedy that it all settled down. Probably because it cancelled out or at least reduced the strength of the electromagnetic field.

(As usual I have simplified a long story but I hope it illustrates the idea of miasm)

BTW....thanks for asking. I have a great interest in homeopathy. I would love to study it and I read as much as I can on it.
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Robie- thanks for the reply. I am of the same opinion about mixing substances, that's why I haven't suggested he try Kratom. I will bring it up to him and let him know that if he finds himself off the meds for a bit , that he might give it a try and see if it helps.

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I'll check it out Laurie.

I'm not one to dismiss ideas without looking into them pretty thoroughly. This one just seems to be treatment plan predicated on a false premise. There were a lot of "treatments" for disease before they knew what actually caused the illness. spells, blood letting, drilling holes in skulls to let spirits out, etc.

The basic premise is "like cures like", I'm ok with this premise in the case of vaccines. Weakened virus unable to propagate bit still able to fire up your immune system to build antibodies to fight off a live virus should it be introduced. I just looked it up, the guy that popularized this idea did so at almost the same time as the first vaccine was developed, I can see where someone could take that idea and run with it... Albeit, in the wrong direction.

The treatment also seems to have a basis in holistic treatment theory, I'm ok with that as well "treat the whole patient, factor their mental state and lifestyle into treatment.

The actual treatment idea of diluting a substance to the point of no longer containing that substance and the more you dilute it, the stronger it gets because "water remembers" ? ... Lost me there.

I was being generous in the first two examples by making those connections, the reality is that it was based on "miasma" (bad air), not germ theory. Historically most of the world's great illnesses were transmitted via contact or an intermediary (fleas, mosquitos, bodily fluids, lack of sterilization), not an airborne virus or bacteria. Miasma in itself is not a thing just like humors isn't a thing and phlogistan isn't a thing, they were just guesses at causes with no understanding of the actual causes.

Anyway, didn't mean to go on a rant there. I will check out that thread and see what they had to say.
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Another member here that has not been posting for a few months now, Teeswaran was quite helpful on the topic.

If you do a SEARCH under the keyword, “homeopathic” for some interesting reading on the subject and how MUCH MORE COMPLICATED it is. Self medicating sounds literally impossible from what I read, and I can’t afford a visit to this sort of dr (same with not being able to afford hormone management for menopause), so the topic was dropped, eventually. Teeswaran did suggest ways to research self-treatment. Way over my head.
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Bomalley- yes, I read quite a bit about years ago trying to make sense of how it could have any benefit.

We are talking the "like cures like, miasma (bad air), dilute a substance til the point that it doesn't even contain any of the original substances molecules" Definition of the term, correct ?

My point being, what in your opinion is the mechanism that would allow this do anything besides a placebo effect ? .

I get the holistic approach to medicine, that makes sense to me. Giving someone somethimg so diluted that it doesn't exist but somehow gets some magical powers by shaking it in between dilution ... Doesn't. One could claim "targeted placebo effect" which would make some sense to me but, that doesn't seem to be the underlying premise of the practice.

I'm just curious, I've never had a conversation with anyone who claimed it worked before.
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jayisk:

The differences you describe are attitudinal because the knowlegde about pain and pain management is the same no matter where in the world you live.

Surely there are attitudinal problems in Canada too. You hear this from illicit drug users all the time that when they have an acute injury then the proper pain medication is with held because it is felt they are just "drug seeking". Such judgmental attitudes reflect very poor practice standards.

I am now experiencing this same judgement as a result of my experience with the oral surgery. I was straight up with the surgeon about my opiate tolerance and NO pain medication was prescribed the first time around (HUH?)- I had to dip into my stash of hydromorphone to get any pain relief, however, this is very dangerous if you do not know what you are doing with measuring in morphine equivalents. I DID so I was able to do that safely.

Second time around I was straight up again and told him that NOT prescribing something was not acceptable and I wsas not going to go through that again, so he under-prescribed when he should have told me that<strong> he could not order triple scripts</strong>, in which case I would have gone to my physician and obtained the prescription before hand. I spoke to him about <strong>morphine equivalents</strong> and how much I needed because of my tolerance, but I am certain he did not know what I was talking about....he should have admitted that.

My physician knows me, he knows my history and he knows that I was safely and successfully tapered off the oxycodone when it was necessary. There is absolutely NO danger in prescribing something now for acute pain management...I just need more of it that's all. His willingness to do so speaks volumes about his professionalism and I am glad to have him in my corner.

When the profit motive for health care is removed, then the professionals can focus on <strong>good practice</strong> and patient focussed care, which is where the emphasis should be.

I am so glad I live in Canada. If there is ever a cause to fight for politically in the USA, universal health care is it....over time it changes MANY things in a society. We have had it for over 60 years.

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Bomalley - I do have a question for you though. You mentioned you were a nurse then later you mentioned homeopathy as " being of some benefit at times, but expert prescription is needed". Could you clarify the rationale behind that ?


Certainly I can explain - homeopathic remedies only work when the remedy is matched specifically to the symptoms you are experiencing. This requires a good homeopath who is expert at case taking.

I have treated myself and my family at home with success for many minor illnesses, but I don't always get it right.

If you take a homeopathic remedy that DOES NOT match the symptom picture then nothing happens...it is like the remedy is inert. BUT if it is matched precisely to the symptom picture - including emotional responses, then the results can be quite stunning. My homeopath cured me of depression diagnosed by a psychiatrist, in 24 hours, with a very precise rememdy.

Even now it is hard for me to believe that actually happened - but it did!

So that is what I mean by expert prescription.

I was actually asking Robie since he's in a similar pain situation to my brother in law (long term chronic). But thanks for the response.


Yeah....I got that AFTER I posted!
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Thank you for your candid responses Robie and your easy going demeanor. Your posts are a pleasure to read. And I agree with your sentiments 100%. Bless you sir. =D>
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Good morning all. And thank you so kindly for addressing what I feel were all issues in my posts. There is not a single thing in your kind responses that I don't agree with. Let me answer, if I may, some questions and statements. Bomaily is totally correct in her statements about pain meds. Efficacy is very quickly compromised through continued usage. I acclimate very quickly to any dose. And to answer ETC: I live with a very high degree of pain on a daily basis. From three different things in my body. One of them being an incurable disease. My interest in Kratom is in the hope that it may help me. I would not mix Kratom with an opiate, or other drug, under any circumstances. I think that would be a mistake. I am going to talk with my doctor, we've grown old together, about his assessment with how I should proceed. He knows what I go through on a daily basis. My doctor is very disillusioned with western medicine and leans more towards natural pathology. He's not foolish and I trust him.

Jayisk is totally correct in his assessment of Perdue and the FDA. Interesting how these drug companies stack the deck. The major manufacturer of Fentanyl, in America, also manufactures naloxone. I find that very duplicitous. Jayisk makes a very good point: there are debilitating pain sufferers who are being marginalized and made to suffer through no fault of their own. Jasisk is also correct in the assessment of emergent medicine: I could be brought in with a severe and painful lacerations and be given an Advil! I've experienced it first hand.

The last time I was out of pain was in December of 2013. I was in tears from back pain. Weeping like a child. The doctor in the emergency room gave me a shot of Toradol with a muscle relaxant that I'm unable to remember. 3 days of pain relief! I felt such joy and gratitude. But after the shot wore off I was right back where I started. A person can not take Toradol for an extended period without the risk of trashing out their kidney's. I'm not looking to get high. I enjoy my mind when it's not. If Toradol didn't trash my kidney's I would be on it in a heart beat.

I pay out of pocket to have a continued relationship with my friend and doctor. I pay out of pocket for my medication. Since January, per the CDC's prescribing guidelines, I am denied the ability to copay. I pay into the required insurance but am not allowed to utilize it to my needs. This is WRONG! And the looks I get, sometimes, from Pharmacy workers! You would think I had a big booger on my forehead or my fly was down! The health workers care. There are many, many empathetic doctors, CNP's and nurses who truly care about the plight of REAL PAIN but have had their hands tied. There are people in government who care but become victim to the oligarchy of government.

I look upon this as my last chance for any quality of life. But I assure you wonderful people this: whether Kratom works for me or doesn't? I will be a very vocal advocate for the people whom it does work for! I see a lot of BS being spread particularly thick right NOW! Raise hell NOW or this leaf could become the next thing to be demonized. Raise hell NOW or many more folks could be marched through the privatized prison machine.

This is the time. IF this leaf gets put into schedule 1 it is over. And good people? I'm seeing the signs. It could happen in a heartbeat. Imagine waking up Monday morning and hearing it's been scheduled. I'm going to write my Representative and Senator. I will advocate for others whom are being ill treated and criminalized for another innocuous plant.

Be blessed all and have a safe and enjoyable weekend!! I must say. Everyone I have run across on this forum has been very kind and generous of spirit. That brings a smile to my world weary heart.

Robie
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Bomalley - I do have a question for you though. You mentioned you were a nurse then later you mentioned homeopathy as " being of some benefit at times, but expert prescription is needed". Could you clarify the rationale behind that ?

I had to look it up to see if I remembered what it was. I remember looking into it years ago. For those who aren't familiar:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
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