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How addicted am I? 3 weeks 54 minutes ago #42782

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So.. 9-12 grams, every day, last 5 years. Mainly during the day, makes work less mundane, and it can get fairly physical, outdoors 365. Usual timing, 6-9-noon, every 3-4 hours, roughly. Go home, exercise at 4pm, 6 days, have a few beers after, for “hydration” of course ;). Rarely after 2pm will I indulge in Kratom, and never for sleep. Definitely formed habits, but am considering the time when I must say farewell for varieties of reasons, could be law, could be age related stuff (60’s), you know? I’m probably not the only one wondering what our thresholds for physical addiction is, and yep, no one’s the same. Psychological? Oh yeah. Curious about your thoughts on the physical given the amount utilized.
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How addicted am I? 2 weeks 6 days ago #42783

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Good morning Gibson,

Well, I think it’s a very personal thing as to how much is too much, how often and the reasons for using Kratom.

I take 2 tsp... 4-5 x a day for chronic pain... addicted ? I think I depend on the benefits gained to help with my chronic pain.... but I don’t skip doses or take breaks ...

Maybe a good idea to take a little break , cut down a little every day , till it’s down to nada .... that may help with you to determine whete you stand with Kratom. Lots of folks are switching to stem and vein and or Hirsuta speciosa for tolerance breaks .... this may help you in tapering , and help get you to no Kratom in a friendlier and kinder way ,

Personally I think your dose amount and frequency is very respectful and low compared to most folks utilizing Kratom. If you feel it’s a problem ,, take break ... my thoughts are there’s no wrong in using somthing everyday if it’s
1) not hurting you 2) getting benefits from it ...

Can’t wait to hear others thoughts on it ....

Are you mainly using for energy ??
Pain?
Or the mundaneness ( line you mentioned ) from work?

I always think the person ( if they are honest with themselves) is the best one to know if it’s a problem or not..

Nothing wrong with enjoying herbs for a variety of reasons or purposes

Thx for reaching out ,
Take care friend (L)
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How addicted am I? 2 weeks 6 days ago #42784

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Addicted is a strong word without further context. If you had said that you have tried to take breaks and can't or tried other things and can't, then I would say yes you are addicted.

Because you've been using for the better part of 5 years and about the same doses, you seem fine. Most americans take some sort of multivitamin daily, for health, or drink coffee. I don't look at kratom much differently. Do I feel better with coffee, yes. Do I need it, no. The same applies to kratom for me. Addiction is the necessity to have with sometimes perceived as uncontrollable desire.

I would be curious to hear if you have tried to take a break and use akuamma, hirsuta, or kava, another effects on you.
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How addicted am I? 2 weeks 6 days ago #42789

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Many Indonesians use it for life without any health risks.
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How addicted am I? 2 weeks 6 days ago #42793

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I think the fact that so many of us ask this question is a good sign. Also a sign of mental health. I'm in my late sixties, take it for pain and mood. One teaspoon in the morning, maybe a second later in the day.
It has made my life better, no doubt about it.
I also take Zoloft and synthroid. I can't stop either of those, but I have cut back on Zoloft. Addiction is a strong word with negative connotations. If you aren't breaking into houses to feed your habit, you are probably OK. Also, you aren't just getting high. That is my take. I don't want to get high, zone out, or get stoned. I want to function like a normal person.
Intent is important.
I am going to order some of the other herbs mentioned on this site to experiment with tolerance breaks. Mainly to put my mind at ease. Kratom has helped so many. And really, not all that different than how I used coffee.
Lets all give ourselves credits for being responsible and working to do the right thing.
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How addicted am I? 2 weeks 6 days ago #42794

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This sounds like a healthy discussion and a great topic for this forum where nobody is going to virtually ‘attack’ anyone else, also!

I think these botanicals should be utilized in rehabs and other institutions instead of cutting people off of drugs with no compassion as a form of punishment for moral misgivings from “judgement committees” like doctors who discount the benefits without bothering to even look into the possibilities.

The opiate problem began as a “nobody should be in unnecessary pain” crusade. The message was delivered by drug-selling pharmaceutical companies with monetary agendas, but that message of compassion for others is alive and well in this group and on other forums.

I’ve been trying Hirsuta recently to test my use. I did experience some discomfort I recognized from detox experiences before, only NOT SO DRASTIC and probably unnoticed had I been busy at work or whatever. So I’m making some changes and mostly incorporating Hirsuta and or stem n vein into my use as a way to stretch out my dose time ON DAYS OFF.

Yesterday I had to be physically moving ALL DAY and I enjoyed a lower tolerance to help me benefit more during a rather painful day.

1.5 days of Hirsuta resulted in lowering my dose to 1.5 level teaspoons instead of at least 2. I also needed to give MORE TIME between dosing because I could feel the wobbles were NOT FAR AHEAD! LOL

Many of you helped inspire that little jaunt along my journey. I owe you all thanks and big hugs!

I did not start shaking and sweating profusely and get high anxiety between doses during my Hirsuta break. Perhaps because I knew I had kratom available, but I didn’t feel like, “I must change how I’m feeling immediately - or I’ll be ‘forced’ to do something self destructive”. <—-that’s what addiction looks like and it sucks.

That’s why this forum is SO SPECIAL. We take time out to help ANYONE who shows up in a state of crisis and I think we’ve helped a lot of people straighten out their lives!

This entire group SHOWS UP with support, hugs and gentle suggestions and I’m proud to me a member of ILK.

I definitely recommend Hirsuta or stem n vein as tools for taking a break and dialing down tolerance.

Incidentally. I’ve had days where I used easily 24 grams in one day and it helped! It was in liquid tea form at 4 grams per serving. That seemed like A LOT to me at first thought. But over a 12 hour period, it’s 2 grams and that day lasted closer to 16 hours. It was a fun experience to take my kratom as tea all day. But I can’t afford that lifestyle, so I’m very glad there are so many methods available to choose from thanks to your advocacy and the AKA ( www.americankratom.org ) keeping it legally accessible.

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How addicted am I? 2 weeks 6 days ago #42795

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I'm in my 60s, fwiw, and imo there's a decided advantage in the improvements in mobility I get from Kratom. What it does for mood is a bonus, as are its other much less well know attributes regarding the immune system.

I can suggest that you use Saturdays as a time to get a grasp of where you stand with Kratom. You'll gain more than just a better understanding; you'll likely feel more reassured that it's OK to maintain a beneficial, stable, relationship with Kratom.

Perhaps on Saturday you can cut your doses in half, or replace half your dose with Stem and Vein Kratom.

After a few of those you can try a day of just quarter doses, or replace three quarters of your dose with Stem and Vein.

I'm assuming Saturday is a day off from work. Use whatever day you do get if it's not on Saturday.

If you have both Saturday and Sunday off I'd still stick with Saturday as your day to check, and improve, tolerance.

Speaking from experience, the day before the work week starts up again is not the best day to add anything that might be felt as stressful. It's too easy for good intentions to fail on Sunday. Saturday however has the psychological backup of the next day promising to be a pleasing one.

Now that I think about it, it's no coincidence I chose Friday as my tolerance improvement day. Back when I was doing construction it was easier to be in a good mood on Friday even if the work was tough because I knew relief was in sight. "Thank God It's Friday" is a credo to many people for a good reason.

You can join in on my Kratom Free Friday (KFF) if you like the idea of that better. There aren't any rules, it's just an opportunity to improve ones relationship with Kratom. So there'd be no pressure for abstinence, you could just cut back on that day to any level you might want to try.

Laurie just completed her Hirsuta Only Thursday (HOT), which could be an option for you as well.

www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...ini-tolerance-breaks

Yikes, it's up to seven pages. :)

Edit: P.S. Several members here take breaks of multiple days, even though they're pretty long term users of Kratom. My impression is that they're just comfortable with the idea of that, and that works together with just not really needing it on ones good days.

So maybe the takeaway is to just get comfortable with the idea of being able to walk away from taking Kratom. Lol, just have to do that first. But once you do it's no longer a big deal in your mind, and that's an added benefit to the one of improving your tolerance.
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How addicted am I? 2 weeks 6 days ago #42796

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Also, for Hirsuta dosing, I checked a lot of sources and found it wise to use only one level TEAspoon about every 3-4 hrs. I’m still using that much and adding only 1/2 TEAspoon of regular kratom every 2-6 hrs and getting pain relief using also akuamma (600mg or 2 capsules) and incarvillea later in the day as needed.
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How addicted am I? 2 weeks 6 days ago #42819

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Gibson wrote: So.. 9-12 grams, every day, last 5 years. Mainly during the day, makes work less mundane, and it can get fairly physical, outdoors 365. Usual timing, 6-9-noon, every 3-4 hours, roughly. Go home, exercise at 4pm, 6 days, have a few beers after, for “hydration” of course ;). Rarely after 2pm will I indulge in Kratom, and never for sleep. Definitely formed habits, but am considering the time when I must say farewell for varieties of reasons, could be law, could be age related stuff (60’s), you know? I’m probably not the only one wondering what our thresholds for physical addiction is, and yep, no one’s the same. Psychological? Oh yeah. Curious about your thoughts on the physical given the amount utilized.


Gibson 12 Grams is not that much for a 24 hour period. I take 2.5 times that amount each day. So don't worry about being addicted to it. If you were addicted to it you would know it. You would have side effects like Weight Loss, Loss of Appetite, Headaches or Dizziness. Just as long as you don't keep increasing your doses you will be fine. I take Kratom throughout the entire day every few hours that I am awake. If anyone is Addicted it is me. Kratom betters your Life so being Dependant on it is not a bad thing unless you are having daily side effects. People take Antidepressants for their entire life. I consider Kratom an all natural Antidepressant.
If anybody has any Questions about Kratom please private message me or make a Post & I will be glad to answer as soon as I can usually within 24 hours if not sooner. I'm usually on really late at night Between Midnight & 5am.
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How addicted am I? 2 weeks 4 days ago #42885

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So, thanks all for participating. Yeah, it seems to help a lot of folks, but (always a but..) consider travel, the state you live in, the legality. You want to travel to another country, or just spend a few weeks in a banned state. International travel is pretty much out of the question unless you’re willing to risk possible legal entanglements in a foreign country by bringing in enough to keep the w/d’s at bay, and yeah, even the 9-12 gram gives certain unwanted physical, not to mention psychological symptoms when going cold.

The legal, well, just being a bit paranoid and watching what’s happening, it’s kinda hard NOT to suspect that this may (I did say may) not have a forever shelf life, y’know?

I do wish it was as easy as keeping your smokes on you (don’t smoke), or popping out to the local Kratom store, or just declaring those bottles in your luggage as something benign and legal, but that’s a risk. So, I’m trying to keep it lower so as to not be taken unawares when/if the other shoe drops.

But these are just the negative natterings of this nabob, to paraphrase Spiro T Agnew, and probably much ado about nothing. I’m reassured by a few of you that sweating in a darkened room clenching my teeth is most likely not in my future though. But it is terribly uncomfortable to be without. And I don’t imagine most care for that.

Having said all that, I still appreciate the energy and state of mind, so have no immediate plans to discontinue, just wish it were a more accepted plan of action, you know?
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