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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43596

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Will do. It'll be a while though, I just got 500g Red Borneo powder (and oh btw, it makes me sleepy which is good - I need the down time). Also, my hernia surgery of August 1st went very well, I did get 40 tabs of Oxycodone, I did take most of them, I did get strung out, and I did get over it - thanx to kratom!!! :-P What more is there to say?
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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43593

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If you decide to ever buy some Crushed Leaf then let us know how it is compared to Powder.
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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43592

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That about covers it, thank you! I may buy some crushed leaf to try in the near future. Last night I made a batch from powder. This time after stirring it for an hour, I let the pot cool down overnight then filtered and bottled it this morning. I'm hoping it will be more potent.
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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43580

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T4TWO wrote: At the risk of wading into uncharted depths (I hate to go here) but what "lies" are you referring to? Do you want to elaborate? Just thinking scientifically for a moment and challenging the notion that crushed leaf and stem "make a more potent tea". . . if maximum extraction of said alkaloids from the plant matter is the goal then increasing the surface area with which the hot water (in the case of tea) comes in contact with it is key. If that is true then absorption/extraction of alkaloids from <strong>powder</strong> would seem to be immediate and most complete. I'm not a scientist but I wonder how much alkaloid "stems" can possibly contain in relation to their weight (which we pay for) since a "stem" delivers nutrients to the leaf and wouldn't necessarily contain them. Also I wonder: Does kratom powder as we know it contain ground stem as well as leaf and vein? Another question I have: When "natives" chew kratom leaves, do they spit them out after a while or swallow the "cud"? Obviously it must be <strong>just me</strong> but from the get-go I found eating powder highly objectionable conceptually and physically distressing. That is how and why I very soon became interested in brewing/extraction methodology.


When you buy Powder from any US Vendor the Stem & Vein will be processed out of the Plain Leaf. So the Powder will be probably 95% + Plain Leaf just a Guess. But when buying Crushed Leaf the Vendor should tell you whether or not they have or don't have Stem & Vein in it. It depends on the Vendor if the Crushed Leaf has Stem & Vein in it.

My Guess is that when you have Plain Crushed Leaves with Stem & Veins in it & Leave everything in there you will get a more Complete Kratom Experience when Making Tea. S&V is not as Potent as Plain Leaf but gives a more Relaxing & Sometimes Slightly Analgesic effect if you take effect of it. S&V is about 60% as strong as Plain Leaf from what I've read over the Years when Comparing the Alkaloids.

The People in Indonesia that Chew Fresh Kratom Leaves usually Chew it a few minutes & then Spit it out. I think they know that the Leaves can cause Gastric Problems if taken Daily in High Doses. They have Access to Very Very Fresh Kratom which we don't have access to. So if we Chewed our Kratom & Spit it out it wouldn't be as Strong as Theirs because theirs is much more Fresher. They can pick it Directly off the Tree & Chew it Seconds after. While we in the US have to Wait at Least 2 Weeks or more before that Kratom gets here. So It's not going to be as Fresh but still will be Fresh just not Super Fresh like Theirs is.

I have Kratom that is over 4 years old & it still has good potency to it. It takes a long long time before Kratom loses it's Potency & only if you are not Storing it Correctly. Keep it away from any Heat, Water, Sun, Humidity & Air & it will Lasts for years.
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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43548

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I'm in the process of answering some of my own questions online, just to save the community the time. Thanks.
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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43543

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At the risk of wading into uncharted depths (I hate to go here) but what "lies" are you referring to? Do you want to elaborate? Just thinking scientifically for a moment and challenging the notion that crushed leaf and stem "make a more potent tea". . . if maximum extraction of said alkaloids from the plant matter is the goal then increasing the surface area with which the hot water (in the case of tea) comes in contact with it is key. If that is true then absorption/extraction of alkaloids from powder would seem to be immediate and most complete. I'm not a scientist but I wonder how much alkaloid "stems" can possibly contain in relation to their weight (which we pay for) since a "stem" delivers nutrients to the leaf and wouldn't necessarily contain them. Also I wonder: Does kratom powder as we know it contain ground stem as well as leaf and vein? Another question I have: When "natives" chew kratom leaves, do they spit them out after a while or swallow the "cud"? Obviously it must be just me but from the get-go I found eating powder highly objectionable conceptually and physically distressing. That is how and why I very soon became interested in brewing/extraction methodology.
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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43524

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T4TWO wrote: Wow, that makes sense. If crushed leaf actually makes a more potent tea, then I would do well to obtain some since tea is my preferred delivery method (as they say). What is the best source for the crushed kratom leaf? I'd like to try it. Many thanks.


There are not that many Vendors that sell Crushed Leaves because most people want either the Capsules or the Powder. The Crushed Leaves will usually still have Stems & Veins still in it. I am going to PM you some Vendors that you can Buy Some Crushed Leaves from that are In Stock.
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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43515

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Incidentally, I’ve had the opportunity to try potentially future ILK APPROVED VENDOR tea made commercially and there is A LOT OF FUN to be had from using this method for ingesting the product. I absolutely loved being able to drink my “medication” for a day. There are some hiccups delaying the release. Stay tuned!
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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43514

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I think the demand is still FORMING because the masses are only NOW starting to realize that they are believing lies they’ve read. My hunch is a LOT OF PEOPLE will be wanting to make tea with crushed leaf.

I really appreciated your posting the process YOU HAVE SUCCESS WITH. Very considerate and helpful!
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Need Input on Making Tea Stronger? 9 months 3 weeks ago #43506

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Master? Gee Whizzz - it's not exactly a Japanese Tea Ceremony (lol). Crushed leaf sounds interesting, but I'm not desperate to get any. If there was a big demand for leaf all the vendors would be offering it don't ya think?
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