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TOPIC: If you took high doses and successfully tapered, what was your sweet spot?

If you took high doses and successfully tapered, what was your sweet spot? 1 month 5 days ago #43770

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I started out a daily 4g user then somehow increased my dosage to 36g-50g per day. At the higher dosages what was once stimulating became sedative. A lot of the positive effects wear off and the negative affects or more prevalent. Laziness, miserable, pretty much all of the opposite effects I started out with.

I’ve successfully cut down and tapered to 18 g per day (3 doses of 6g) and already the benefits are clear. I plan on decreasing even more but I’m curious what my sweet spot would be overtime where I could take as little as possible but yet feel the most affects for the longest amount of time. I plan on using hirsuta and stem and vein to help me as well so I can continue to have a better relationship with kratom instead of the once abusive one I've had. Funny how people keep saying "less is more", but the addict in me totally ignored that and had to Experience what that meant first hand.

So specifically for anyone who has had problems With Kratom in high doses and successfully tapered what was your sweet spot and what was your journey?
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If you took high doses and successfully tapered, what was your sweet spot? 1 month 4 days ago #43814

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My sweet spot is 3g. More than that and I start having bowel issues.

I do a lot of things to keep it at 3g. I rotate strains daily, I'll usually use a different strain each dose. Obviously this takes a lot of variety, but I try to look at what I need for the day. If I don't get a lot of sleep I'll take a fast white to wake, long day at work calls for a slow long green, etc... I also take regular breaks after about a month. I'll use, hirsuta, javanica, and/or akuamma to overcome. The last, if I'm in need to feel more, I'll take a reset day and dose .5g an hour as much as I need.

I'll caution and say I am in keto, which potentiates kratom well, and I exercise quite a bit, which probably lead to me feeling good even when I just take 2g. Anyways, I hope my story helps.
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My story almost mimics Fused Flora EXACTLY except I have not yet acquired javanica for evening while on kratom break (it’s Hirsuta Only Thursday or HOT as Babel-17 has dubbed it) and I’m also not consuming many carbs and I’m very careful which ones I do consume. I do not do exercise beyond stretching and hikes. Hiking in Santa Cruz is a sort of Utopia because of the amazing places nearby offer hikes that are safe and scenic.
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If you took high doses and successfully tapered, what was your sweet spot? 1 month 3 days ago #43863

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FusedFlora wrote: My sweet spot is 3g. More than that and I start having bowel issues.

I do a lot of things to keep it at 3g. I rotate strains daily, I'll usually use a different strain each dose. Obviously this takes a lot of variety, but I try to look at what I need for the day. If I don't get a lot of sleep I'll take a fast white to wake, long day at work calls for a slow long green, etc... I also take regular breaks after about a month. I'll use, hirsuta, javanica, and/or akuamma to overcome. The last, if I'm in need to feel more, I'll take a reset day and dose .5g an hour as much as I need.

I'll caution and say I am in keto, which potentiates kratom well, and I exercise quite a bit, which probably lead to me feeling good even when I just take 2g. Anyways, I hope my story helps.

Haven't heard of javanica. Thanks for mentioning.

I am a fitness addict and stopped working out on my higher doses. I just couldn't find the energy. Now that I'm tapering, I've realized just how much working out helps my tolerance. There seems to be a direct correlation between exercise and how potent kratom is for me (especially with high intensity cardio). I try to remember not to miss a day of workouts not just for my health, but to keep my kratom doses low. Just being busy in general keeps me from wanting to redose constantly. It really doesn't get any better when you do that, it really gets worse and i have to keep reminding myself that. I wait no less than 6 hours between doses now. I can't imagine what some of you guys were thinking when you read i was taking 36-50g/day when some people here take 3g every OTHER day :blink:
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If you took high doses and successfully tapered, what was your sweet spot? 1 month 3 days ago #43864

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Laurie wrote: My story almost mimics Fused Flora EXACTLY except I have not yet acquired javanica for evening while on kratom break (it’s Hirsuta Only Thursday or HOT as Babel-17 has dubbed it) and I’m also not consuming many carbs and I’m very careful which ones I do consume. I do not do exercise beyond stretching and hikes. Hiking in Santa Cruz is a sort of Utopia because of the amazing places nearby offer hikes that are safe and scenic.

if you're going for carbs, go for complex carbs (whole grains) which are more nutritious than simple carbs (sugars, white bread, chips, etc.) if your body can handle it. You probably already know, but i just had to take the opportunity as a personal trainer :)

I read about your HOT and it got me interested in doing the same.
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If you took high doses and successfully tapered, what was your sweet spot? 1 month 3 days ago #43897

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That’s cool, CD! A personal trainer is a nice addition to the multifaceted group here!

I’m in Day 3 with minimal/zero carbs and definitely think I’m feeling more run down because of the dietary changes moreso than from my Hirsuta journey! Easy to mix those up when doing simultaneously!

I haven’t given up on the Hirsuta wean just yet and it IS helping but my body craves SUGAR. No wonder I’m a bit grumpy! I was wondering why kratom didn’t make me feel significantly better. It’s not SUGAR!

LOL LOL LOL LOL DUH
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If you took high doses and successfully tapered, what was your sweet spot? 1 month 3 days ago #43917

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Laurie wrote: That’s cool, CD! A personal trainer is a nice addition to the multifaceted group here!

I’m in Day 3 with minimal/zero carbs and definitely think I’m feeling more run down because of the dietary changes moreso than from my Hirsuta journey! Easy to mix those up when doing simultaneously!

I haven’t given up on the Hirsuta wean just yet and it IS helping but my body craves SUGAR. No wonder I’m a bit grumpy! I was wondering why kratom didn’t make me feel significantly better. It’s not SUGAR!

LOL LOL LOL LOL DUH

sounds like you're going for ketosis? if so, that is normal, and you may even experience "keto-flu" which has symptoms of low energy and high intense carb cravings. I've done it before and don't recommend it for everyone. The first few weeks is a big hump to get over, but overtime, it becomes your new normal and the cravings go away. Your body starts to process fat for energy as opposed to carbohydrates, but you still have to make sure your caloric intake isn't as high as before if you're looking to lose weight. The good thing about that is in keto, you tend not to be as hungry so you don't eat as frequently anyway :)
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If you took high doses and successfully tapered, what was your sweet spot? 1 month 2 days ago #43923

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Thank you for the helpful/informative encouragement, CD! Yes, I had keto but slipped - triscuits! Got RIGHT BACK ON and am doing well keeping caloric intake low, so it’s no wonder I’m feeling sluggish. Thanks for sharing your wisdom to help affirm that. Probably doing pretty well with the Hirsuta - LOL!
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CD,

That thread reminds me to warn those who are creeping WAY UP on dose size AND working out daily (or more). That combination landed a friend in the hospital getting new hips for his 30 something year old body that has excessive osteoporosis.

No joke.

Same friend is still battling - it seems that now he’s rather suddenly diabetic and cannot eat many foods considered to be healthy choices (I don’t have exacts).

His core issue is probably TOO MUCH KRATOM. He did not feel his hips deteriorating! Very sad.

I don’t know if steroids are the culprit as well, but it sounds like it from these tidbits he’s been willing to share.

Definitely a lesson to be learned about moderation here. That’s the only reason for my sharing this private story.

CD, it’s very reassuring to know you are also working on lowering intake and PAYING ATTENTION.

It’s a bit difficult to use only Hirsuta and stem n vein this time. But results are good. I had some lovelife drama going on and that stress contributed to the difficulty. It also helped me finally let go and friend zone someone I loved very much only a year ago.

I got some RELAXX blend from Re-Leaf LLC also and had only 1/2 tsp tonight (no Hirsuta, just a teaspoon of incarvillea and a teaspoon of corydalis as a special treat!

Been a challenging day. Night
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If you took high doses and successfully tapered, what was your sweet spot? 1 month 2 days ago #43931

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Laurie wrote: Thank you for the helpful/informative encouragement, CD! Yes, I had keto but slipped - triscuits! Got RIGHT BACK ON and am doing well keeping caloric intake low, so it’s no wonder I’m feeling sluggish. Thanks for sharing your wisdom to help affirm that. Probably doing pretty well with the Hirsuta - LOL!


Nah, your caloric intake isn't what's making you feel sluggish. It's your body adapting to the lack of carbs. From an addicts perspective, think of it as heroin withdrawals :lol:
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