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Oxycontin and kratom 1 month 1 day ago #43979

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I am new here and new to kratom. My reflection on my oxy addiction below (read or trash) did not end. I now suffer from chronic 24/7 daily headaches. I am never free of them ... ever ! As well chronic debilitating lower back and neck pain. I have been taking tramadol and Tylenol with codeine to at least take the edge off. I have, what I call a ‘functional pain rating’. Out of 10. My head is typically a 6 or 7 where I am always aware of it but can carry on doing stuff if it is a 10 I am unable to function lie down in bed. Usually 3 or 4days a week I have a 10 for at least part of day. A pain specialist has told me i most likely have MOH or medicine overuse headaches, commonly called rebound headaches. He told me I have to eliminate all my pain meds.before he can offer any headache help, if it still persists and is not rebound . I am down to 100 mg of tramadol now and in constant misery. He wants me to reduce the last 100 by racing by 25mg every month or 12.5 if it is too hard to do that. I have a mj prescription from my family dr. but no version of cbd/thc oil has ANY effect on pain or withdrawal discomfort. Nada. Can tractor help me? I have 3 packages but do not know dosages and suggested delivery system. I took 1 teaspoon stirred into an inch of lemonade and it was awful fasting . But it may have helped a little. Can someone direct me to a post of suggestions for dosage in teaspoons. Frequency I need help. I am in agony.
Here is my story of getting off oxycontin/fentanyl addiction but now I am back to needing to get off all pain meds to see if they are the problem. My number of days with a 10 headaches is increasing and I am increasingly bedridden.
Jerry diakiw.

My opiod addiction.

My body is my major negative asset. I am riddled with pain. At a 5,6 or 7 out of 10 on my pain scale, I still function normally, just living through it. At a 10, I suffer in bed. As a youth I had occasional, classic aural/nausea migraines. They became more frequent and less severe, till they morphed into chronic daily headaches. Knee pain resulted in a knee replacement. But arthritis continues to attack my lower back and neck My piriformis muscles too, add to the relentless pain. I probably saw a hundred medical practitioners from both traditional medicine, of pain or neurology specialist to alternative treatment, from acupuncture to cupping. Nothing worked except drugs. . . . Especially when oxycodone was introduced to the medical market. My doctor was very enthusiastic . There was a medical mantra they all bought into that was clearly promoted by the drug company . They believed that there was a difference between those who used oxycodone for recreational use who could be addicted, but if used for pain and no high was experienced you could not become addicted, but you were only ‘dependent’. I never experienced any high on opiods.

Somehow it was assumed that ‘dependent’ was a mild issue that could be easily rectified if necessary. You could just quit anytime. I started with percocets a few times a day. It soon was not enough. My Doc. prescribed oxycontin. It was soon not enough. A Friend had a fentanyl patch. My Doc said he only prescribed a patch for terminal cancer patients. He upped the oxycontin dose. . . Again... and again. I continued to complain of pain . Finally he added a fentanyl patch. I began taking 160 mg of combined oxycontin and Percocets, plus the patch.
I was a drug addict. I remember driving up the Don Valley Parkway in bumper to bumper, stop and go rush hour traffic, in a drug stupor. I fell asleep at a pause and only awakened by car horns urging me to move on. It was time to stop.

A pain specialist advised moving into a residential rehab facility. I opted for the do-it-yourself option.

I researched the process and decided to do it on my own. It took me 6 months to get off the opioids. I asked my wife what it was like when I was getting off the drug:

" You lost your mind. You kept saying to everyone you saw the Buddha on the road. You wandered up and down the beach at the cottage buttonholing people and talking nonsense and breaking down crying"

My cottage neighbour, a doctor, who observed me in this state, called it ‘ebullient emotion’ typical when patients have strokes or when in shock. I burst into bouts of convulsive weeping without any reason. I did that frequently during my detox.

I reduced my dose by 5 mg a week. It was agony. After a couple of months the detox twisted my mind . I was nearly mad.
Even when I was down to 5mg per day it was excruciating. I wanted to give up and get a strong dose, but I persisted.

I remember talking to Laurie, a pharmacist at Shoppers Drug Mart in Penetanguishene and asked her if there was anything I could take to get me over the agony on my last 5mg . She asked how much I had reduced from:

"160. Mg and a fentanyl patch". I replied.
"On your own?’ she asked, incredulously.
"Yes’ I replied.
"That’s unheard of" she replied. Her face signalled shock.

Every time I hear one of many current statistical opiod stories on TV, I am reminded of my addiction and detox. For example:
*There were 2833 opioid related deaths in Ontario last year.
*In the USA, there were more than 70,200 overdose deaths in just 2017 . More than 130 people died every day from opioid-related drug overdoses.
On TV as l wrote this, someone declared , “One hundred people die from gun violence in the USA every day" . . . . 130 from opioids! . . . 100 from gun violence! Are these not preventable?

I have been free of opioids for a few years now. The pain persists but I am better off than where I was. My wife had nightmares about my drugged period. "I thought we were going to lose you"
I am still here.
By the way, I really did see the Buddha on the road.
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Oxycontin and kratom 1 month 1 day ago #43980

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Jyd wrote: I am new here and new to kratom. My reflection on my oxy addiction below (read or trash) did not end. I now suffer from chronic 24/7 daily headaches. I am never free of them ... ever ! As well chronic debilitating lower back and neck pain. I have been taking tramadol and Tylenol with codeine to at least take the edge off. I have, what I call a ‘functional pain rating’. Out of 10. My head is typically a 6 or 7 where I am always aware of it but can carry on doing stuff if it is a 10 I am unable to function lie down in bed. Usually 3 or 4days a week I have a 10 for at least part of day. A pain specialist has told me i most likely have MOH or medicine overuse headaches, commonly called rebound headaches. He told me I have to eliminate all my pain meds.before he can offer any headache help, if it still persists and is not rebound . I am down to 100 mg of tramadol now and in constant misery. He wants me to reduce the last 100 by racing by 25mg every month or 12.5 if it is too hard to do that. I have a mj prescription from my family dr. but no version of cbd/thc oil has ANY effect on pain or withdrawal discomfort. Nada. Can kratom help me? I have 3 packages but do not know dosages and suggested delivery system. I took 1 teaspoon stirred into an inch of lemonade and it was awful fasting . But it may have helped a little. Can someone direct me to a post of suggestions for dosage in teaspoons. Frequency I need help. I am in agony.
Here is my story of getting off oxycontin/fentanyl addiction but now I am back to needing to get off all pain meds to see if they are the problem. My number of days with a 10 headaches is increasing and I am increasingly bedridden.
Jerry diakiw.

My opiod addiction.

My body is my major negative asset. I am riddled with pain. At a 5,6 or 7 out of 10 on my pain scale, I still function normally, just living through it. At a 10, I suffer in bed. As a youth I had occasional, classic aural/nausea migraines. They became more frequent and less severe, till they morphed into chronic daily headaches. Knee pain resulted in a knee replacement. But arthritis continues to attack my lower back and neck My piriformis muscles too, add to the relentless pain. I probably saw a hundred medical practitioners from both traditional medicine, of pain or neurology specialist to alternative treatment, from acupuncture to cupping. Nothing worked except drugs. . . . Especially when oxycodone was introduced to the medical market. My doctor was very enthusiastic . There was a medical mantra they all bought into that was clearly promoted by the drug company . They believed that there was a difference between those who used oxycodone for recreational use who could be addicted, but if used for pain and no high was experienced you could not become addicted, but you were only ‘dependent’. I never experienced any high on opiods.

Somehow it was assumed that ‘dependent’ was a mild issue that could be easily rectified if necessary. You could just quit anytime. I started with percocets a few times a day. It soon was not enough. My Doc. prescribed oxycontin. It was soon not enough. A Friend had a fentanyl patch. My Doc said he only prescribed a patch for terminal cancer patients. He upped the oxycontin dose. . . Again... and again. I continued to complain of pain . Finally he added a fentanyl patch. I began taking 160 mg of combined oxycontin and Percocets, plus the patch.
I was a drug addict. I remember driving up the Don Valley Parkway in bumper to bumper, stop and go rush hour traffic, in a drug stupor. I fell asleep at a pause and only awakened by car horns urging me to move on. It was time to stop.

A pain specialist advised moving into a residential rehab facility. I opted for the do-it-yourself option.

I researched the process and decided to do it on my own. It took me 6 months to get off the opioids. I asked my wife what it was like when I was getting off the drug:

" You lost your mind. You kept saying to everyone you saw the Buddha on the road. You wandered up and down the beach at the cottage buttonholing people and talking nonsense and breaking down crying"

My cottage neighbour, a doctor, who observed me in this state, called it ‘ebullient emotion’ typical when patients have strokes or when in shock. I burst into bouts of convulsive weeping without any reason. I did that frequently during my detox.

I reduced my dose by 5 mg a week. It was agony. After a couple of months the detox twisted my mind . I was nearly mad.
Even when I was down to 5mg per day it was excruciating. I wanted to give up and get a strong dose, but I persisted.

I remember talking to Laurie, a pharmacist at Shoppers Drug Mart in Penetanguishene and asked her if there was anything I could take to get me over the agony on my last 5mg . She asked how much I had reduced from:

"160. Mg and a fentanyl patch". I replied.
"On your own?’ she asked, incredulously.
"Yes’ I replied.
"That’s unheard of" she replied. Her face signalled shock.

Every time I hear one of many current statistical opiod stories on TV, I am reminded of my addiction and detox. For example:
*There were 2833 opioid related deaths in Ontario last year.
*In the USA, there were more than 70,200 overdose deaths in just 2017 . More than 130 people died every day from opioid-related drug overdoses.
On TV as l wrote this, someone declared , “One hundred people die from gun violence in the USA every day" . . . . 130 from opioids! . . . 100 from gun violence! Are these not preventable?

I have been free of opioids for a few years now. The pain persists but I am better off than where I was. My wife had nightmares about my drugged period. "I thought we were going to lose you"
I am still here.
By the way, I really did see the Buddha on the road.

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Oxycontin and kratom 1 month 1 day ago #43982

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Welcome Jyd, we're glad you joined our community and we're all here to help. Short is yes, I think kratom can help you.

As a previous opiate user, you have likely built a tolerance. I've seen new kratom users that are coming down, start with 3g and up .5g a dose until they find what works. However, it hinges on having good kratom. I'm not saying buy my stuff, but headshot leaf is notoriously overpriced, bad leaf, and perhaps may be cut. Finding good stuff will get you on your way, theres a load of authorized vendors here, and a lot more online vendors with quality stuff.

The taste isn't for everyone. I've heard of the most success from mixing with orange juice or chocolate milk. I take mine in tea or coffee, as warming the kratom makes the alkaloids a bit more bioavailable so your body absorbs it easier. Again though, the taste isn't for everyone. Though OJ and fatty stuff like chocolate milk are known as potentiators, as in they make the kratom a bit more potent, which is why i'd recommend those.

I usually take 3 times a day, a white in the morning to wake up, a green after lunch to enjoy the day and a red to bed. The half-life of the alkaloids varies person to person, but is usually around 4-5hrs. Good stuff you'll feel for that duration.

Feel free to PM me anytime if you need help.
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Oxycontin and kratom 1 month 1 day ago #43984

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Jyd... welcome to this lovely community!!!

wow , what journey you’ve been on ... you saw the Buddha at the most critical time ..... nothing is as coincidental as a lot like to think !!!

You found the right place to get some support, some ideas/ suggestions .... we are allbdealing with life and have our unique challenges to crack the code on....

Kratom , Like Fused Flora mentioned ... can def be a big help.. it gives you the space to approach your ailments while not being crippled by pain....

Use the search bar to review all the newbie questions that most have .. along with the comments / answers to them ..

Happy you found us , a priceless resource for sure .. folks looking for a way that works and helping others do the same !!

Ask any and all questions, we’ll do the best to find some answers (L)
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Oxycontin and kratom 1 month 1 day ago #43993

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Welcome Jerry, :-h
Wow, that IS quite a journey you've been through.
I can't imagine detoxing for that long. I would lose what little mind I have left.:silly:

In February of this year I went looking for a pain med after having a headache 90% of every month for the last 2 years. My neurologist tried every drug he new of and every new shot that came out. Nothing worked except Zomig but I could only get 6 a month of those so they were saved for the level 10 headaches. Sometimes it took 2 zomig to make those go away.:(

We were just getting ready to try botox shots in my skull when I found kratom, and the ILK family here, while looking for a pain med for my wife. :cheer:

At the moment What works best for my headaches is the Green Riau I got from Insense. 1.5g in the morning at 5am followed by 1g at noon keeps the headaches to no more than a 2 and the majority of the time takes them completely away. Kratom is a miracle to me! :cheer:
No prescription ever came close to it.

I hope you have as much success as I have had with kratom getting rid of headaches and dramatically reducing other pains. :-bd

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hey jerry! im so glad that you found us. and kratom. I just hope we can help you as much as the kratom! what type did you get? and if you don't mind us asking from where? some vendors generally have better quality that's why I ask.

your 'average' kratom is roughly 2 grams for a flat bakers teaspoon. I would recommend that as a starter dose. if you don't feel better in about an hour take a little more ( 1/4 teaspoon at a time ) till you find what works for you as your 'sweet spot' starter dose. which is just a general guide. whites I typically take a little more than reds lets just say. but im getting ahead of myself...it does taste nasty but its easy to mask. I even use essential oils. let it sit 5+ minutes ( even overnight in a glass bottle ) it helps pull out the active compounds.

I recommend you get a scale. COB( christophers organic botanicals ) even has a cool spoon that makes it easy to measure. taking the leaf isn't as easy as taking a pill. its a bit more like trying to master a symphony over an instrument.

thank you for sharing your story. you have done so far own your own already. this is a piece of cake. you got this! most of us are on this journey due to chronic pain. I have worked 60+ hour work weeks for weeks now. there is no way I could do it without the leaf and other herbals and supplements. please look into akuamma, incarviella senesis,( sp ) corydalis, and skullcap. all I recommend from in sense/ gold leaf botanicals. amazing selection, great kratom and herbals as well.

don is the headache banishing bonsai master.. but I recommend green veins, gold and red. whites can make you a bit strung and don't help as much for pain. typically. I do use them for blending if I know im gonna have a especially long day.

I certainly hope this helps. don't be afraid to ask very specific questions. a word of advice is make sure you stay hydrated with electrolytes or mineral supplements and since you are consuming leaf, make sure pluming stays flowing.
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Welcome to the forum
Seeking natural alternatives, forced taper, prescription medications did not work or tired of the side effects, or wanting to be able to take control of your own pain management. A few reasons we are here taking kratom.
This forum can guide you to have success with kratom. We support each other with pain management and offer suggestions in botanical alternatives, diet, exercise, anything it takes to help.
Here are a few basic links to read over at your own pace.

The basics
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...-oldies#.XYg12ihKiUn

A recent newbie member's guide-
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/introduce-your...journey#.XYgw2ChKiUk

Its a lot of information please ask any question you need.

My quick tip is taking turmeric with each kratom dose, I feel it helps reduce tolerance. My dose has stayed the same for 2 years. I take kratom to manage spinal arthritis, I benefit the most from Kratom's anti inflammatory alkaloids. Stress reduction is plus.
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Thanks to all of the above for warm welcome, suggestions and advice. I am hoping to use kratom to reduce my daily headaches to below myy 10. while weaning myself off the remaining dose off
I tramadol. I will follow up on readings suggested. Really pleased to hear it is not processed in the kidneys. Thanks. Jerry
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Thanks. What is your dosage for the last 2 years. How do you take it. How often
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Everyone is unique and it’s not really possible to duplicate someone else and expect success.

Start with samples of at least green and red and 2 grams or 3/4 tsp. Wait 40 minutes and see if you feel better at all. You won’t feel an obvious high suddenly. If you feel like cleaning the dishes you left on the counter or something simple like that, it’s helping.

Do you have any samples? We can assist with that.

Thanks for sharing your history so we can be of more help to you in the hard part of your journey.
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