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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 3 days ago #44254

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Babel-17 wrote: elitenootropics.com/people-experience-headaches-using-nootropics/

Many people complain of headaches when using nootropics, especially racetams and cholinergics. There have been cases of other side effects as well like nausea and restlessness, but headaches seem to be the most frequently occurring side effect. It can be really irritating for the user if he/she gets headaches while trying to improve mental functioning.

Racetams like piracetam and aniracetam are especially known for causing unwanted headaches and even slight to severe migraines. Still, nootropics are generally safe to use and the chances of getting a headache depends on the dosage and user. There exist rational explanations for such side effects. Headaches caused by nootropics are not a cause for concern in most cases and also may be avoided by making use of some remedies.


So interesting.

I gave up trying ANYTHING with choline in it many decades ago because it gave me TERRIBLE headaches!

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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 4 days ago #44197

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It's a shame that GrapeFruit Juice doesn't work for you. I find that it does a tremendous job of covering the taste.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 4 days ago #44188

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A quick comment on fatigue. A couple years ago I went through a phase where I could barely make it through a day without napping. On my regular checkup, my doctor said that I was showing signs of reacting to an allergen. That was what causing the fatigue.

I've had my share of typical resperatory responses to allergens. Itchy eyes, runny nose, etc. I started taking claritin and it was a miracle. My daily fatigue was gone.

The point is, allergeries can manifest in different ways. Since you have a lot of allergies, you might consider getting tested to see if there is a seasonal allergen that you might be reacting to.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 5 days ago #44171

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Interesting..! I’m not near enough to my supplement ZAPS box today, but mine is capped and I got headaches even when I emptied half of a capsule. But. It got my butt moving while in the grips of opiate detox sans kratom!

I also had “bulging eyeballs” after a couple of days and it also seriously inhibits sleep/rest, which is exactly why the military used/uses it.

Can you SLEEP tonight? We will see..

No headache? Yay!

EDIT: incidentally, I didn’t partake in Hirsuta Only Thursday (HOT), so am now starting a 1 1/2 tsp stem n vein with 1/2 tsp Hirsuta as needed today and I plan to go all day tomorrow.

Got another pet sitting interview this next week-kitties!!!

Thanks for all the good juju from everyone here <hugs>
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 5 days ago #44168

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Hey Laurie, my Adrafinil arrived today here in NY from New Mexico (ordered on Monday so the UPS ROCKS), and after about an hour and a half it felt like my "third eye" was starting to sprout, lol. Just kidding, but I had taken lecithin a few hours before, and then hurried to take more right after I started feeling like that guy from Scanners (Michael Ironside), and the bit of pressure went away soon after.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9puQXwExbY

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoIy7Y7H72Q

Of course the lecithin might not have been a factor, but still. I took a light teaspoon before, and then after, for what that's worth.
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 1 week ago #44104

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THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE GIFT OF KNOWLEDGE regarding the headache conundrum. Very disappointing, indeed, when I was trying to avert chronic fatigue! It was not worth it. EGGS are my food of choice on my Atkins/keto eating plan! That’s really got me excited to do some digging in that box when I complete my dog sitting assignments - if I even touch that box wrong, I will be spending the day sorting supplements and I haven’t the time yet!

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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 1 week ago #44103

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Some individuals find that Choline helps to prevent Modafinil headaches, especially those that occur the day after using this drug. While this treatment is not 100% effective, there are a number of users who report that taking a Choline supplement like Alpha GPC will eliminate most headache symptoms.

Some of the most common cures can involve simply remembering to take care of your basic bodily needs. Many users report that Modafinil use keeps them hyper-focused at the tasks at hand, often being so engrossed in working that they lose track of time, with hours passing without realizing it.

Sitting inactive, being fully mentally engrossed in a task can cause a physical toll on your body. Most people as well have poor posture, and sitting hunched over a desk or computer for hours at a time can lead to neck and back strain, which may further lead to headaches.

Remembering to take short breaks can sometimes help to reduce or eliminate Modafinil headaches. Some users have suggested even setting alarms periodically throughout the day to remind yourself to stop your work, get up, stretch, or take a short walk. Taking a short mental break as well to just clear the mind or meditate is recommended as well.


Funny enough, the ad on the page I'm linking to has the brand of Adrafinil I just ordered, though in a smaller size. Maybe that's due to tracking? Spooky if so.

nootriment.com/modafinil-headache/
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 1 week ago #44102

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In a pinch a couple of eggs (the yolks) will give you a lecithin/choline boost.

If anything I undersold the connection between choline and some nootropics. There's a whole adjunct industry in selling forms of choline to fans of nootropics.

peaknootropics.com/types-of-acetylcholine-suppleme...ts%2F&v=7516fd43adaa

Racetams (Piracetam, Aniracetam, etc…)

Racetams do not act as precursors to acetylcholine but instead stimulate the acetylcholine receptors. This triggers more acetylcholine to be needed by the body. This is the actual nootropic action of racetams. It is suggested that not having enough acetylcholine in the brain while taking racetams will limit their effectiveness and possibly even cause the opposite action to take place.


elitenootropics.com/people-experience-headaches-using-nootropics/

Many people complain of headaches when using nootropics, especially racetams and cholinergics. There have been cases of other side effects as well like nausea and restlessness, but headaches seem to be the most frequently occurring side effect. It can be really irritating for the user if he/she gets headaches while trying to improve mental functioning.

Racetams like piracetam and aniracetam are especially known for causing unwanted headaches and even slight to severe migraines. Still, nootropics are generally safe to use and the chances of getting a headache depends on the dosage and user. There exist rational explanations for such side effects. Headaches caused by nootropics are not a cause for concern in most cases and also may be avoided by making use of some remedies.

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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 1 week ago #44100

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Thanks for pinpointing the cause of headaches with adrafinil, Babel-17! My nerves SOMETIMES go crazy with adrafinil and other times, not so bad. Those headaches turned mine into a dust collection of experiments gone bad but not given up on - in another box near the kratom ZAPS stash.

I would offer you mine, but I would not recommend passing along used bottles that have been opened. I’m glad to hear that headache antidote should I need to try it again. It did really help for energy when I was detoxing off opiates, but I could have used kratom if my thinking were straight at the time.

I actually emailed an inquiry to a vendor about the status of my order and found it had been delivered 14 days ago and would have been handy to use (it was lying on a shelf in my detox room the entire time).

I definitely sympathize with those experiencing weaning down and detoxing on so many levels. Lack of proper processing thoughts is so degrading and frustrating. I STILL get PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Symptoms) now and then - including the past month. On my 3rd year clean! Horrible.

I apologize to everyone. It affected a lot of things and people, unfortunately. Nobody understands its PAWS at this point unless they’ve been there.
It’s not over but I’m feeling a bit better. Packed my coconut oil and kratom for transport to pug house in the morning!
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I'm back! First experiences with non-headshop kratom + a few questions. 9 months 1 week ago #44099

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Have you ever tried Rhodiola, standardized for salidrosides (the more energizing element)?

Bit of a coincidence that you mentioned Modafinil, as on Monday I ordered Adrafinil, which the liver (hopefully) metabolizes into Modafinil.

Reputedly not as powerful, but nowhere as coo-coo for cocoa-puffs expensive either, though still not cheap. I've got a bottle of 90 capsules, 300 mg. each, that the UPS lists as "Shipment Received, Package Acceptance Pending" through its tracking software. Well known company I've dealt with before, so I'm pretty sure it will be here by Saturday or Monday. $59.95 with free shipping, which is an ouchie, but afaik that's the best price around, and the powder is only marginally cheaper.

Modafinil is prescription, and the prices I saw were lol level. Acetyl L-Carnitine might also offer a brain boost, and the powder can be cheap. I've got a big bag of Rhodiola that is proving hard to kill. :) I believe in tasting the herbs we take, and Rhodiola is what I'd describe as Espresso extract's street tough, older brother, in terms of taste. ;) It has a real "authority", and imo the taste does set the stage for a powerful effect. It too is cheap when buying powdered, in bulk.

Modafinil Prices

This modafinil price guide is based on using the Drugs.com discount card which is accepted at most U.S. pharmacies. The cost for modafinil oral tablet 100 mg is around $182 for a supply of 30 tablets, depending on the pharmacy you visit. Prices are for cash paying customers only and are not valid with insurance plans.


Ooh, I take Noopept and Aniracetam as as well, and they can be brain stimulants. The Noopept powder is cheap, and the dose is just 10 mg. Gotta keep it away from moisture or it clumps, though it breaks up again very easily. Aniracetam is reasonable as well. I had to dial back to one dose a day of that as it was keeping me too alert at night if I took a second dose. Noopept is mellow, and is even reputed to help with anxiety.

I'm also taking fasoracetam, and I think I can now attest to the widely held principle that you need choline when taking racetams/nootropics or you get a headache, and are cheating yourself. I've been spooning away the sunflower lecithin as I want to balance out the choline with inositol, but I bit the bullet and also ordered a bag of Alpha GPC from Amazon on Monday, as that's supposed to a form of choline that really gets to the brain and does other magic. I think it's the Anracetam that really causes a need for choline, as supposedly fasoracetam works differently.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniracetam

www.braintropic.com/nootropics/noopept/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasoracetam

Anyway, best track record, bang for the buck, reliability of effect, would have to go to Rhodiola. I can't in good conscience vouch for the rest. Lol, so you can pretty much ignore all of the above, except for the part about Rhodiola.

I got the 500 gram bag of Rhodiola Extract, 3% Salidroside, and even using one double dose in the morning, I get 1250 servings. Regular servings would up that to 2500. Without subscribe and save it's $42.96 ($2.44 / Ounce). They have smaller sizes.
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