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The truth about straind 7 months 3 weeks ago #44439

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Yes I agree with Don't Fix with What Ain't Broken. Do whatever Works & Keep Doing it.

I just wish Everybody knew the Truth about the Strains & not BUY into the Hype of all the Hundreds of Different Strains when there is really only just a few.

This is just my Opinion on all the Strains. It's not a Disaster. With all the Different Names of Strains this is just a Marketing Thing. I can see how all the Different Options can get you more Business.
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The truth about straind 7 months 3 weeks ago #44433

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Oties Botanicals wrote: Hey everybody. Adam from Otie's here. So I just wanted to touch on a certain topic. KRATOM STRAINS. Every day I get at least one customer looking for a strain that we might not carry. Or a customer saying, "I like this strain. It works better than that strain" The thing about strains is.... they are just names. That's it. Most of the strains are named after the region, or the forest it comes from. However, it's not often that an Indo supplier will travel to all these different places to get these strains. I have spoken to many suppliers. Some honest. Some not so much. What it really comes down to is the drying proccess, and blending. There are three colors as we all know. Also, Kratom is outlawed in Malaysia and Thailand. So unless someone went over there, brought some back and sold it. Than it's probably not real. Don't quote me on this but I have been told Kratom doesn't even grow in Bali! I have been told by a very reliable source that yellow and gold is a product of drying and blending. I believe in full transparency. So I think it's important for people to know the absolute truth about strains. Some if it is real. Most of it is not. It's for marketing. So the quicker someone let's go of the strain thing the better off they will be. Regardless, Kratom is an amazing plant. I wish I discovered it 10 years ago!!! From us here at Otie's to you, have a kick ass day!



I completely Agree with you Adam. Basically there is just White, Green, Red & the Drying Techniques. There are Golds & Yellows but they Don't exist. All the Names just have been Made up & then they make Blends & then Create More Names. It is all just Speciosa Leaf with Different Names. Each Batch will be different that you get from a Supplier but not a Huge Difference. There are just so many things that can Influence how each Speciosa Leaf comes out. Each Speciosa Leaf is like a Snowflake. No Two Of Them Are Alike. So you could basically pick Leaves from the Same Tree & test the Alkaloids & each Leaf will be Different in it Alkaloid Profile.

Joe at Re-Leaf. LLC know his Stuff Bro. He knows more about Kratom than anybody I know.

This has nothing to do with it but I just heard that When Kratom sits in the Shipping Containers coming from Indo to the US & it gets really hot & humid it will change the Alkaloid Profile. That's why I wish we could Grow Kratom here in the US by the Ton & then it would be Fresher & Wouldn't have to sit in Shipping Containers or go through Customs at all. Takes a good 2 - 3 Weeks for a Shipment from Indo to get here I can Imagine.

Anyway I think nothing is going to Change with all the Naming of Strains. I just wish that Vendors wouldn't have so many Names. I wish they would just have it Labeled like Green, Red or White & with the Drying Process by it, the problem it is like to help best like Insomnia, Pain, Depression & with a Number on it rather than put a Name of Region on it because that just makes things even more confusing. So a Name would be like White Energy #2 or Green Depression #1 with the drying process also.

At one point I was thinking about just doing red, green, white and just blending to people's preference. But we've been extremely successful so far so I don't want to fix something that's not broken ya know? Lol
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The truth about straind 7 months 3 weeks ago #44393

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There's an agreement with the above at shopkratom.com

They're an approved vendor, and I bought from them twice using the coupon from here.

"Unfortunately it has become a joke with the amount of kratom strains that vendors are trying to put on the market today. Most of the “strains” offered today have about as much difference as there is between tea or coffee found from the same area.
Like tea or coffee, kratom leaf is pooled and bought from agents or communal growers. There are no genetically different strains or cultivars like there are with Cannabis or Kava.
Each individual Kratom tree seems to go through its own annual cycle of flowering, seeding and producing new leaf growth and between the two wet or dry seasons every tree does this…All at a different time!"

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"Kratom does NOT naturally occur on Bali.

In 2001 when we were the only people shipping Kratom from Asia we tried to keep the localities of the various Kratom strains that we found a secret!!!

Alongside Maeng Da, Bali Kratom was our most commercial and well known type of Kratom powder that we developed and launched in 2003

Bali is not a strain rather it is a special blend of leaf types from a specific geographical area in Kapuas Hulu West Kalimantan.

Because of its well-balanced blended composition it gives really nice effects and it soon became the well-known legendary strain that it has become today. We needed a name for it and called it “Bali Kratom” even though kratom does not naturally occur on Bali. Bali is very well known and famous and that is what we intended for this strain to become!

Today virtually every Kratom shop sells Bali Kratom. Unfortunately the majority of these are not selling the original real Bali. We are the only ones who knows the blend and location of the trees. Never buy from vendors selling Red Bali or Green Bali as this will certainly not be real Bali!"

Every product page has more nuggets of information like that. Even this claim: "... the original people that named the strain Maeng Da and introduced it to the market in 2004"
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Awesome , thx for the break down!! Fascinating info...
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As one of its participant, i would admit that the truth is types and strains are nothing but marketing ploy, created by us to attract more and more customers, nothing but amazed them to buy the products.

Honestly, as of today, there are only 3 "Main" type of Kratom leaves defined by where it is grown.

1. Banjar = located slightly in the middle of Kalimantan, the effects, colours, and tastes are okay.

2. Hulu = Literally possibly the most used to mix strains and types, are using Hulu, why because it is the most cultivated area, located along the riverbed of Kapuas, usually let grown until reach the age of 2-3 years before first harvested, and then 3-6 months time gap before harvested. The taste, effects, and colour are top grade.

3. Jongkong = Considered as one of the highest grade out there, located further along the riverbed, takes hours to get there, and mostly the trees are grown wild, the effects and taste are somewhat the best (my opinion), the wild trees usually harvested when it is shown to look like at least 8 years old, since not cultivated, it is hard to maintain stable quantity of decent jongkong kratom, due to less cultivated than hulu

No kratom is bad, the only thing that define its quality, its correct choosing of best drying methods depending on the after-effects seek, lately the trend is shifted into dry-hand method, where its space-efficient and usually done in a room without direct sunlight, to conserve as much as alkaloid contents as possible.

Some types and strains are created by doing blend of kratom strains, i could very much created my own type and call it Narnia if id like to, as long as i could maximize the effects i am intending to have on that blend.

Fermentation method usually done to achieve the "Red" effects of sedative, pain relieve and relaxing, it is all done by fermentation that gives its red colour, for Black it is using the same fermentation method as red but more advanced, as in being put into air tight room condition (container), and then pan-fried that gives it the darkish colour.

The effects of black are typically the same as red, but somewhat more relaxing.

On my statements above, i could very much possible of making wrong statements due to my limited experiences, so if i did, please correct me and forgive if i use wrong words or not using the proper words, due to English is not my native language.
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Yes I Totally Agree Laurie. I know that some Vendors have Strains that are Named for their Effects like Counting Sheep but I know they can't make any Claims about the Effects of any Strains.

That's the only thing about Kratom is that sometimes you Don't Know How A Strain is going to Affect you. There Needs to be way more Studies & Researching going on for Kratom. They need to keep it Legal everywhere in the US so that they can Study it for years to come.
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Except vendors cannot make claims about affects such as “white energy”. And. Some “white energy” strains are sedating for some people. So that crowd would be unhappy about “misrepresentation”.

Other than that, I agree. For the reasons I gave as an example, I just don’t see it happening vendor-wide.
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Oties Botanicals wrote: Hey everybody. Adam from Otie's here. So I just wanted to touch on a certain topic. KRATOM STRAINS. Every day I get at least one customer looking for a strain that we might not carry. Or a customer saying, "I like this strain. It works better than that strain" The thing about strains is.... they are just names. That's it. Most of the strains are named after the region, or the forest it comes from. However, it's not often that an Indo supplier will travel to all these different places to get these strains. I have spoken to many suppliers. Some honest. Some not so much. What it really comes down to is the drying proccess, and blending. There are three colors as we all know. Also, Kratom is outlawed in Malaysia and Thailand. So unless someone went over there, brought some back and sold it. Than it's probably not real. Don't quote me on this but I have been told Kratom doesn't even grow in Bali! I have been told by a very reliable source that yellow and gold is a product of drying and blending. I believe in full transparency. So I think it's important for people to know the absolute truth about strains. Some if it is real. Most of it is not. It's for marketing. So the quicker someone let's go of the strain thing the better off they will be. Regardless, Kratom is an amazing plant. I wish I discovered it 10 years ago!!! From us here at Otie's to you, have a kick ass day!



I completely Agree with you Adam. Basically there is just White, Green, Red & the Drying Techniques. There are Golds & Yellows but they Don't exist. All the Names just have been Made up & then they make Blends & then Create More Names. It is all just Speciosa Leaf with Different Names. Each Batch will be different that you get from a Supplier but not a Huge Difference. There are just so many things that can Influence how each Speciosa Leaf comes out. Each Speciosa Leaf is like a Snowflake. No Two Of Them Are Alike. So you could basically pick Leaves from the Same Tree & test the Alkaloids & each Leaf will be Different in it Alkaloid Profile.

Joe at Re-Leaf. LLC know his Stuff Bro. He knows more about Kratom than anybody I know.

This has nothing to do with it but I just heard that When Kratom sits in the Shipping Containers coming from Indo to the US & it gets really hot & humid it will change the Alkaloid Profile. That's why I wish we could Grow Kratom here in the US by the Ton & then it would be Fresher & Wouldn't have to sit in Shipping Containers or go through Customs at all. Takes a good 2 - 3 Weeks for a Shipment from Indo to get here I can Imagine.

Anyway I think nothing is going to Change with all the Naming of Strains. I just wish that Vendors wouldn't have so many Names. I wish they would just have it Labeled like Green, Red or White & with the Drying Process by it, the problem it is like to help best like Insomnia, Pain, Depression & with a Number on it rather than put a Name of Region on it because that just makes things even more confusing. So a Name would be like White Energy #2 or Green Depression #1 with the drying process also.
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I think that's why I originally chose Re-Leaf LLC after reading everything and watching all the youtube stuff trying to understand it a bit...When I read releaf.us they broke down a lot of the myths or beliefs or marketing hype bull crap....and thou they are a little odd in their own way ... we all are ..by we I mean me and the mouse in my pocket.....
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Word... words !!!!! Hahaha

Absolutely great to have it broken down again, thank you Adam , Laurie , you make me smile !!! Big smile :x

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