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TOPIC: Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short

Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 1 week 3 days ago #48119

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I have a friend that’s been on opioids for more than 15 years, he uses them for a very bad back problem that he has had from an accident way back when, when I found this plant just a short time ago I tried because I to suffer from chronic pain from many accidents I have had over a 35 year career as A Faller up here in BC, It is the number one most dangerous job and physically demanding statically here in north America, so my body has been put through the ringer sorta speaking. I went through the opioid thing just for a short time as it only took me 6 weeks to get hooked on them, but fortunately for me I seen it and got off them right away, a very good lesion I got to learn so I do not regret going threw it.
So in my search for a natural way to help with my chronic pain I got turned on to this plant and I am grateful for it, as it has helped me allot and I think it’s a much safer way to fight my pain. So as I see how much my friend is effected from his pill use I wanted to try to help him maybe get away from the pills, as I have read a lot of testimony’s on how people here have used this plant to help them get off their dependence of pills, so I gave him some to try and told him how other people has used this plant to get off their dependence of opioids, and he was game to try , A few weeks later he called me and said that he wanted to give back the kratom as he was not using it and I gave him about 200 grams to give it a good shot. He told me that it helped but he thought it just wasn’t for him.
So I thought o well I tried, but when he gave me back the kratom there was 195 grams still in the bag, so he really dint give it a good go, and when I asked him about it he told me that when he did a dose it worked but then he told me that it made no sense that why he should do kratom and also do his pill to, if it does the same thing, so he chose his pills rather then giving kraton a good try.
So what I am looking for is maybe some of you that have gone down the same road to if you can pm or put here some of your story’s to help me give this another shot on trying to encourage him to look more deeply into what this plant can maybe do for him. I do know that we can lead the horse to the water but we can’t make him drink, but maybe with a little help he might get thirsty enough to try again.
Thank you all if any can help and if not it still makes me feel happy that I tried..
Stay well all and love and light to this family out here.
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Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 1 week 2 days ago #48129

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Hi buckey! I have run into this unfortunate problem. The only solution I have found is to pray for my friends and loved ones who are convinced the pill is the way to go and simply let it go. Many of my friends and loved ones could certainly benefit from kratom, but it’s not something they will even try unless THEY DECIDE and inquire first. Lately, there has been so much online censorship and propaganda that I am finding even more resistance to the leaf.

It’s so sweet that you checked how much he tried and called him on it <3. He is VERY FORTUNATE to have a loving, caring friend.

I’ve had letdowns of this sort in my own house for YEARS. It sucks.

You’re a cool friend.
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Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 1 week 2 days ago #48147

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You are most definitely a cool friend !! You care and that’s great medicine ... it’s very much like Laurie wrote , folks have to want the change and see the good in leaving behind a detrimental way of treatment ... your heart and head are in the best place ... but it comes down to the decision one must make for themselves... keep in mind the universes law of reverse ... the more you want to show the way ... may in fact push it farther away... my advise , let your friend know your available , and support offering a different way ... influence by example ... it’s all one can do ... for better or for worse !
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Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 1 week 2 days ago #48156

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I know, right? I was really touched by your post, buckey.

You’re a very cool friend.

There are some old posts from BoMalley and others about wanting to let the world know about it, only to find a less than enthusiastic response.

Thanks for sharing your thoughtful experience.

SomethingSacred Brandon brother is right.
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Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 1 week 1 day ago #48204

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Hey Buckey!

I agree with Laurie and Brandon about that you are a cool friend and sometimes as much as we know it would help them, they have to decide. Some people need to be let free some people need a kick in the butt, its hard to get it right or to know thats really what they needed until after the fact.

I have experienced similar when offering help to people that are suffering bad. It turns me up and down so i try to let it go after i offered it. This is not so much an adivce for you but more of a way to let you know that i understand cuz im in the same boat. We all are

Also reading your post again i see the only thing you told us about your friend is that he has been on opiates for 15 yrs because of pain. How is this going for him? What are the down sides he is having that could be made better by switching to kratom?
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Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 1 week 1 day ago #48206

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For all the people that have been on or around people or friends that are using opioids I feel have seen or are seeing kinda the same thing as in big mood swings, never seem to be happy and if they are only after taking their pill, but only last not too long, health issues, stuff like that, and it gets to the point that there hard to be around cause you can see that they are suffering ,and when you try to talk to them about it, they just shut right down and deny, so from what I read this plant has helped allot to get over the hump when trying to get off.
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Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 1 week 1 day ago #48209

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just want to say Thanks to all, I totally understand, and thanks for all the love I feel from all who wayed in as I feel a lot out here know what I am talking about as the opioid thing reaches a lot out here. I feel we can never give up trying to help are fellow brothers and sisters even if it just comes from us sending them our sincere love that comes from are heart, our true hart not the physical one. And reading the reply’s I can feel your love, so thank you all out here.
I think I can get him to try again when he is ready. I keep telling him how much I am glad I found this plant and how much it is helping me fight my issues, and If I have to be addicted sort of speaking to something I rather it be a true plant based substance rather than a man made one… if you know what I mean…
Stay well all
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Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 1 week 23 hours ago #48210

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I tend to refer to my use as “dependence” rather than “addiction”. Addiction implies a lifestyle dominated by substance. I don’t think many people steal stuff from stores to sell it and buy more powdered leaf material. Addiction implies self destructive behavior I would not compare to dependent use of powdered leaf material.

Generalizing is never a good idea, so I’m only speaking for my interpretation of what addiction means.
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Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 1 week 22 hours ago #48211

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Word up Laurie ! I agree with you and can say that’s my own take on it as well... also pretty much the main defining distinction between dependence and addiction...

I absolutely depend on the relief kratom gives , and my body is dependent and acclimated to taking it . Doesn’t mean there aren’t those who are inherently abusers of substance, addicts by genetic design .... but kratom , has its own buffer system in place that makes it extra hard to abuse .. (def possible though ) that whole less is more and more is less equation makes it so all but the worst effects will be felt by taking more and more powder .. thus the addictive persona is running the show despite the negative results ..

But knowing that all the best properties of kratom are experienced by a low to moderate dosage ... motivates us to use responsibly and mindfully to get the most benefits out of this miraculous herb because it helps sooooo much!

I get what you mean by saying if you were to be addicted , would prefer a natural substance in place of a synthetic one ... but keep in mind what Laurie wrote .. big difference between addiction and dependency :) no shame or harmful consequences from using a herb to better your quality of life and help weed out detrimental ones in the process!! Though respect and responsible use for the leaf is required B-)

Sorry lol, rant over :-bd

Buckey .... one of the hardest things is seeing loved ones in a opiate or other substance struggle and not being able to hand them the alternative for a better life ... extreme empathy for your situation brother..Keep doing good for you and that may be the attraction to get others to want the same for themselves!
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Hi friends, looking for some advice for a friend. I will try to make this short 6 days 21 hours ago #48244

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My thought is that with the opioid panic, your friend may encounter having a hard time getting his pain meds. This has happened to many, and I like the feeling of having an alternative. But you can't get someone to try something if they don't want to.
I gave some to my nephew who has anxiety issues. I don't know if he's tried it, I haven't raised the issue.
But at least you tried.
You never know, he may come back to it.
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