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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 3 days ago #48131

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I’m a daily user 1-2 tsp doses 3-4 x a day for almost 5 years. Originally used to get off Norco but it’s helped with my depression greatly and motivation daily.

I rotate 2-3 strains white and green. I’ve had doses not work for several days but usually only during PMS hormonal whacked days and then back to normal.

For several weeks I’ve not felt my doses and if I increase my dose I get wobbles or overly tired.
When this has happened in past and doses aren’t as effective taking red strain works at least but even red strains aren’t working. I tried switching venders because that’s helped in past but still nothing.

I purchased stem n vein and nothing. I purchased Hirsuta and again non effective except for wobbles it I take to much.
I take turmic curriculum, magnesium citrate, cats claw(tried both kinds) agnatine sulfate before bed at night. I’ve tried all the above with doses, before doses, after doses and nothing makes doses effective.

I’m at a loss of where to go from here aside from just quitting all together which really depresses me.

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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 3 days ago #48132

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Hi Birish!

When this happens to me, a reset is necessary and is the only way. Weaning back using the Hirsuta and Stem n Vein. Less and less and less. If you can go without, DO IT. The longer you can last using other botanicals, the better. A good week is necessary and you’ll see Michelle373 posted about her recent month-long reset and how much it helped.

That Hirsuta and stem n vein are invaluable tools for this process. Cool you have them in stock! :-)

I’m sure there will be more suggestions. This is what I do or at least use less and less and less for quite some time (days). It is not necessary to quit forever :-)

Maybe someone else has suggestions you’ll prefer over mine!
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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 3 days ago #48135

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Yeah, you might be best served by aggressively lowering your tolerance.

I'll say that step one could be that from now on, or at least until you get the desired results, you go a minimum of twelve hours between servings.

Step two could go along with that, and that would mean eliminating one serving, in your case never taking more than three a day. You'll have to stretch the time elapsed between servings, but after being consistent in going twelve hours a day without, ever day, that will get easier and easier.

The primary goal here in this initial effort is to get to the point whereby you're no longer feeling progressively worse as you wait for your first taste of the day of Kratom. That point will come, and when it does it represents a success.

Keep doing that and eventually your three servings of Tea will become more effective and enjoyable. Your body will be losing its "numbness" to Kratom. Imo it's enormously helpful to give your body a "fast" from Kratom every day.

That's where the word breakfast comes from, it literally meant a breaking of the fast that started after finishing the early dinner that people used to have, and which wasn't interrupted by snacking. The body got to do a lot of housekeeping during those hours, and the people who used to eat like that (OK, many probably still do) probably briefly hit a state of ketosis for an hour or two. They'd be both hungry, and feeling energetic, when they had their first meal of the day, and broke their fast.

Get that done and I predict that things will look a lot clearer and you'll figure what's best for you to progress further.

To paraphrase Allen Carr, who helped millions stop smoking, when you feel the need to have Kratom, but deny it to yourself, that's the moment of improving your tolerance. Any discomfort is thus accompanied by knowing that you're achieving another victory, and carving away at your tolerance.
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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 3 days ago #48140

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Hi Birish,

Adding to this-

Kratom is an insoluble fiber. It moves quickly through the stomach to the intestines. How do you feel your gut/intestinal health is? Sometimes I feel tolerance issues, when you are using know potentiators and also a kratom break and nothing works, you could have possibly an absorption issue. We always recommend drinking plenty of water and a healthy diet here. I have been playing around with high saturated fats such as coconut oil and plain old black pepper. You could try your normal dose wait 15 minutes then take a teaspoon or so coconut oil or an MTC oil
(info www.healthline.com/nutrition/mct-oil-benefits )

A few people here use green veggie smoothies for intestinal cleanse and just general health. You guys that are doing this (madmax? Babel?) can make suggestions?

Good luck-
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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 3 days ago #48141

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Oh yeah! If I’m constipated, no amount/color/strain/potency helps! :-o
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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 3 days ago #48142

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hey birish!

yep been there. my larger doses were working but they were getting waaaay too big. gave myself a full reset. it really wasn't too bad. used Incarvillea, akuamma and stem and vein for day. skullcap, kava or corydalis at night.

I am no dr or medical professional but I get in all kinds of mood enhancements for my husband. and myself on occasion too! ive found that blue lotus extract, gaba or magnolia to be the most predictable effects for daytime. fused flora has magnolia and lotus very reasonable. their kratom is great too. $24 to get free shipping.

meridian botanicals is also a go-to of mine for harder to find stuff. amazing selection, great prices. their shipping is super slow though, just a heads up.

no one can make you take a break. you have to do it when youre ready. or at least start with a day or 2 off here and there. I made a 'chart' for myself and change things up often. check out a strain on strain stagnant syndrome. or do a search. one of our fellow members madmaxnightrider has a great color graph. would take me like all day to do that.. lol. but gives you a good example.

I rotate between an average of 6 companies at a time and at least 12-15 strains. some are a blend. have you tried re-leaf? theyre having a newcomer special where you pick 20 strains for a kilo for $99 which is awesome. if youre interested I can give you a referral code.

just as an example

day 1 1st white hulu/ green MD 2nd green hulu/ red Sumatra

day2 1st gold MD 2nd red MD

day3 white Vietnam/ green Riau 2nd red horn/ chocolate borneo

day4 green MD 2nd yellow bali

day 5 green hulu/ gold md 2nd red Sumatra

day 6 krambo 2nd sleep buddy ( re-leaf blends )

day 7 other herbals

this is one I just made up. from what ive heard, and experienced you want to try to give your body variety and sometimes take a blend. sometimes not. its helped me to remember if I do insense day 1, releaf day 2, fused flora day 3 ect ect..but this is just me.

please let us know if this helps or if theres more specific stuff we can help with!
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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 2 days ago #48171

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Did you start a new medication? Stop exercising? Get sick? Change your diet?

A lot of these variables can change how your body reacts to it. If you've taken consistently for that long, and the same amount you've also got tolerance to compound this.

I largely agree with others' assessment to take a break, but I'd also offer to look hard at the other changes in your life to assess how they impact it.
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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 2 days ago #48177

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Thank you so much Laurie, Babel, Nan70, Michele373, and fused flora for all your great advice and feedback!! Yesterday I was really worried I’d never get positive effects back from Kratom at all and after reading all your replies I feel more hopeful this is just temporary.

I’ve racked my brain trying to figure anything I’ve changed recently. I’ve been on a low tapering dose of prednisone since November. Im asthmatic and developed an allergy only asthmatics can develop to a common fungus. I don’t think it’s that since this ineffective issue started in January.

Today I did stop taking a brain supplement I started taking in January, to see if that’s a contributing factor in this problem. I assume it’ll take a few days for me to know for sure if it is.

Im not regular and do struggle with regularity a lot and have wondered if that’s causing an issue too. I do drink plenty of water throughout the day.

Im only dosing 3 x a day stem n vein and Hirsuta for now. I am well overdue for a break. I usually have 8-10 hour fast from my last dose of day around 9-10pm and next morning dose 7-8am, but I’m going to bump it to 12 hours moving forward. I am going to extend time between my 3 doses as well.
I’m also going to try one of those intestinal cleanses.

Can absorption issue still cause wobbles if u take to much but zero positive effects?

Kratom really helps my energy and moods and I don’t mean the euphoria Kratom can have. I’ve not had that euphoria with Kratom since I started years ago and I’m ok with that.

Is there any other supplements to take in place of Kratom that gives a little mood boost without becoming sleepy or hallucinating?
I saw blue lotus but sounded like it could cause you to trip out but maybe I read that wrong.
Kenna I was interested in trying but u have to chew it to get effects I’d want.

At this point I don’t think I would get anything from any other teas since I’m not getting any effect from even then Hirsuta.
If it’s tolerance shouldn’t Hirsuta have an effect? I’ve never taken it before??

I’m sorry my reply back is like a short Novel and all over the place.
Thanks again!

Birish

PS I’d be interested in referral code too Michele373. I ordered SNV and the Hirsuta I’ve been taking from tea time botanicals after reading post from Babel.
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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 2 days ago #48178

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Hirsuta FOR ME is either undetectable or wobbles. Stem n vein I have not gotten wobbles, but I don’t use large quantities because of the roughage in the intestines being a bit larger. Electrolytes on top of water. Twice a week at least is my routine.

Otherwise I would scroll up to Michele373’s post for alternative botanicals and Babel-17 knows of quite a few more with subjective and ongoing results. He will help empty your wallet on Amazon as he does me! FOMO! Time off is the ideal. Even Hirsuta and stem n vein hinder my resets. They help manage the time in between, but reset effectiveness is limited quite substantially by using them. I used Akuamma only for my best, recent reset. But I was seriously sick anyway, so I had to sleep constantly, anyway. Unfortunately, I cannot use akuamma for awake time.
Good luck and keep posting how you are as you go! We care!
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Tried almost everything & STILL Ineffective! 2 weeks 2 days ago #48184

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birish,

looks like you are taking the proper steps. tea time is awesome. fused flora has great magnolia and blue lotus. nothing trippy I don't like that feeling! just gives me a more mellow person which sometimes I need.

re-leaf has some of the best blends I have ever tried. great value now for a newbie, you can get kratom cheaper than me right now! but I am on a subscription, and they always take good care of me.

to get an added 10 % off my code is GRYVOIQUU8. 20 strains for a kilo for $99. they pick but you can ask for what you need. I screw up spelling on purpose, they get it! or say hey I want krambo or something like that for this...their instant kava is great too. mellows me out, stops mind clatter and helps me sleep. you will not be disappointed.
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