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Looking for some advice 2 months 5 days ago #30882

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I took Kratom for the first time last Friday.
I did a lot of research over the prior 2 weeks.
I ordered some Red Bali 500mg capsules from what I believe to be a reliable source.
The bottle recommended taking 5 capsules.
I took 4.

To give you a little background about myself.
I suffer from depression, anxiety, and pain in my feet.
I'm currently taking Zoloft and Xanax.
It helps my depression and anxiety a little bit.
I take Vicodin for my feet but my doctor only gives me 30 pills every 6 months.

I stumbled upon Kratom and became very interested and thought I would give it a try.
I thought it might give me an extra boost to feel happier.
I thought it would take away the pain I have in my feet.

So I popped the 4 pills.
Nothing happened.
Then 40 minutes later, BOOM.
My legs went numb.
I became light headed.
My heart starting beating extremely fast.
I honestly thought I was having a heart attack.
I almost asked to be driven to the hospital.
But it was just an extreme panic attack.
Scared the hell out of me.
I thought, maybe I took too much Kratom.
Maybe I got a bad batch of Kratom.
It was a horrible experience.

So my questions are:
-how many mg should someone take the first time they try it?
-should I have just taken one 500 mg capsule? See how that felt and increase dosage if needed?
-would I even feel anything taking only one capsule?
-with my medical conditions, is it possible that Kratom will just not work for me? That it will cause me to be too anxious?

With the amount I've read, and all the videos I've watched, I still feel like Kratom could help me. But I never want to go through that sort of panic attack again in my life.

Let me know your thoughts.
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Looking for some advice 2 months 5 days ago #30883

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, brianking.

Kratom is a plant, so predicting results is impossible. Narrowing down to a safe dose requires self experimentation. No way around it.

You might wanna try 2 capsules.

In my experience, pain and depression are VERY relieved with the leaf.

But not so much for anxiety. But other people get good anxiety relief! I do not.

The “honeymoon phase” when taking kratom for the first time through about 3 weeks of use is totally different than repeat use over time (much stronger). After the honeymoon phase, kratom very well might be perfect for you.

Hope there’s a nugget of help for you in this post.

Where did you find the red Bali? It does make a big difference...

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Thanks for the response.

If I try again I would probably start with one 500 mg capsule to see how I feel. If goes well then maybe two capsules next time.
But one capsule would only be 1/2 gram.
Two capsules would be 1 gram.
Is that even enough to get the full effect?

So you’re saying that it’s not uncommon to experience anxiety while taking Kratom? If so, that’s not good in my case. I thought Kratom would be somewhat similar to Vicodin. I’ve never had any issues or anxiety with Vicodin.
It just makes me feel good and takes away the pain in my feet.

I bought my Kratom from PurKratom.
I thought they were a reliable source.
If not, let me know.
Any idea who sells the best Red Bali?
Or is there another strain I should try that won’t make me so anxious?
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Looking for some advice 2 months 5 days ago #30892

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Hi brianking (read the bottom too),
I'm fairly new to Kratom (6-8 months). If I get panic attacks it's because it starts in my head with questioning myself ..like "shit, what if I took too much, will I be ok? and then it gets worse, you know the drill. I know enough about kratom that I'm not gonna die from it by taking any reasonable dose....so that eases my mind. But here is my advice. Start with one pill. Will you feel anything? No...but it's a comfort thing. Don't expect much from it but it's a start. Next time you try it, say next day or so, move up to 2 pills. You may feel a tiny bit from this because you're so new to it but you might not. Next time you try it, take 3...and so on until you find your right dosage for that strain. Once you find that right dose, stick to it! Trust me, it's worth being patient with finding that right dose. For me, it's 6 grams or 12 500mg pills. 4 months ago, I was good at 4 or 5 grams.
PurKratom is a solid vendor. Read through some of the vendor reviews here. You will find some very legit vendors. I use Christophers, Kats, and Insense Rob. Top notch vendors and you'll find some really great prices. Many other great vendors out there though. Those are just the three I'm sticking with for now.
Brianking - This is just my opinion. Who am I, really? The prices for capsules is absolutely crazy compared to powder. Unless you've got money to burn, seriously, take the powder. You can get 1,000g packages for $90 to $125. Think about that compared to what you paid (2 pills=1g). How many pills and at what cost did you pay. I dump my powder in a glass, fill it about 2/3 way with water (or whatever you like) and stir vigorously and then drink it super quick. done!
Kratom on my friend!
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Looking for some advice 2 months 5 days ago #30894

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I agree. It starts in the head with questioning yourself. That’s what I did but I also took too much for a first timer.
And I’m an anxious person in general.

I think it’s probably best to start with one pill and go from there. Slowly find the right dosage.

Damn. You take 6 grams? What does that feel like?

I will look into your recommended vendors.

So I bought 50 - 500 mg pills (25 grams) for $18.
I thought it would be easier with the pills to start. Wouldn’t have to buy a scale. If I enjoyed the pills I would move onto the powder. Obviously better value with the powder.

Any recommendations on strains to try?
Something to help with depression and pain.
Something that is not too intense and won’t trigger my anxiety.
Did I make the right choice with red Bali?

How would you describe the typical feeling you get from Kratom?
Like you’re stoned on weed but better?
Like you’re on Vicodin? Or a half a Vicodin?
What am I supposed to feel?
Euphoric? No pain?

I used to be a big pot smoker back in the day.
Then I became an anxious person.
Over the years the weed got stronger.
It was just too intense for me,
It would make me anxious and paranoid.
I couldn’t handle it.

My initial impression of Kratom was that it was basically a natural Vicodin type supplement. Or something that just makes you feel good. Can get rid of pain.

Now I’m rambling.
I look forward to your response.
Thanks for the advice.
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Kratom88NY said it perfectly. Anxiety is a necessary emotion, not an illness UNTIL you give it power. I spent a year unable to leave my home due to anxiety. It’s a brain wiring issue. Kratom helps the body so you can heal and get stronger but you’re stuck with your own brain/thoughts. The more power you give anxiety, the more of your life it will consume.

And. Kratom is NEW TO YOU. The effects you are getting TODAY are stronger than effects you’ll likely get again. That’s the honeymoon phase. Honeymoon phase lasts much longer for those who don’t use it daily.

Red Bali is a perfectly great choice of strain for pain, so I hope you follow the advice above mine and give it another chance.

Also, to be clear, I’m not saying anxiety is our fault or somehow yours is less bothersome. I did not intend to minimize it. I was stunted by it following a series of events that also gave me PTSD.

I have a care recipient I help and she’s diagnosed as PERMANENT ANXIETY in writing from her dr. She’s 32 and that document has made sure she will never leave the house for the rest of her days. So each person perceives it differently. My dr confirmed there is no such thing as PERMANENT ANXIETY unless you choose to accept it as a disease. THEN IT DOES!

I was sad to hear she has it PERMANENTLY. That gave her NO HOPE and she quit meds and therapy after she got that document. She can drive, but won’t. Even for a sick child in the ER, she could not drive less than 2 miles to get her kid because of that document.

I could not walk in a LOWE’s store for a few years because the lighting gave me anxiety.

Now I don’t go because I can’t afford any projects. The lighting is still awful, but I can shop there if needed.

Please take the advice above. Also, if you get “the wobbles” or a panic attack, don’t panic. You won’t die from it. If kratom is too strong, either eat some carbs or take 1/4 Dramamine to calm down the effects to nil in no time.

You’re a perfect candidate for kratom. Just continue your anxiety meds as prescribed.

Kratom is a safe plant to ingest. The very worse thing that could happen is you vomit it up. That happens from overuse. You’re DEFINITELY NOT over using.

Remember, the honeymoon lasts about 3 weeks with consistent use. Then you don’t notice it much, but your pain is diminished.

Good luck!
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Oh yeah! Regarding my last comment, “stay on your anxiety med”. I meant FOR NOW. One challenge at a time. Many people eventually dial in a good strain for easing anxiety. The only trouble there is, we are all so metabolically different. You gotta be willing to do the work, trying different ones. What works for you won’t necessarily do squat for me.

I’ll leave your questions intact for Kratom88NY.

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Hi Brianking,
Yes, 6 grams is a typical dose for me (and many others) but again, I use it daily (2x day) and I'm a fairly big guy (230lbs). I'm certain your weight plays a small factor, small.

You asked what it feels like, well the honeymoon phase at 3 or 4 grams was like I could conquer the world and now, it gives me a much needed lift to get up, moving, an to have a most excellent start to work. I take 6g at 7:30, and I'm super motivated and social at work, right through about 12:30 or 1pm. Then, when I get home from work, I take same amount at about 4:30 and gives me a much needed boost to enjoy my family We're a family of 5 and quite "on the go" all the time. I DO not recommned twice a day for simply recreational use because tollerance builds too much. I take it more because I love the time I spend with my family after work. I am actually going to try to stop my morning dose so I get more out of my afternoon dose.

Red strains for me (other than Red Maeng Da) are best for pain and relaxation. Red Maeng Da, gives me as much energy as any other green strain, even better than many whites.

Green's I like are Green: Maeng Da, Malay, Vietnam. Vietnam from Christopher's is pretty damn strong and I only take 4g and love it. I find the Malay offers me good energy and moderate pain (so does Maeng Da)

Whites: If I were you, until you learn more about whites and how they make us feel, just stay away (for now) because they could cause an uneasy, jittery feeling until you find the right strain, which is great energy, no nervousness (White Hulu from Insence Rob is awesome like that).

Experiment with your reds and greens. Red Maeng Da & Red Bali, although Red Bali gives me a little more sedation than I like, so I take it in evening. Green Maeng Da, Green Vietnam, Green Bali, Green Riau, all awesome strains.

Once you learn the effects of each, start mixing them. I mix about every dose I take. I teaspoon of red bali with a tea spoon of green vietnam, for example. I even mix four strains at once to experiment and usually get my best effects from it.

Regarding Capsules. As a newbie on Kratom, good call, experiement with caps to see if this is for you (and it's for everyone, trust me). Then get in to powders, here is why.

You are paying 72 cents per gram. I am paying 19 cents per gram. That adds up hugely when you are taking it daily or 2x day. For example, I paid $49 for 257 grams from chris's (9 ounces). You could go less and get 114grams for $29 and still that adds up to 25 cents per gram. All time best is getting 1,000 grams for $90 that's only 9 cents per gram but make sure you really like the strain and from the right vendor because that's a whole lot of Kray Kray (as I call it) at once.
Last comment. No, not like weed, more like, an awesome feeling about myself (confidence) and energetic, meaning I would clean my whole house, walk the dog, play hoops with my son, or if at work, work like a dog because I actually want to. Weed gets me sleepy and tired. Strong Reds will make you feel more like Vike because it has more alkoloids in it and targets the same receptors of the brian as the ingredients in Vike. Red Borneo, for example, that will give you a sedated and euphoric feel like Vike. Red Bali, same thing. Red Maneng Da, gives me more of the energy and euphoric feel, which is why I relally like that one. Most reds will give you the best pain relief.

Hope this helps man. Enjoy and doen't hesitate to ask more questions. I'm just a fairly new guy to this too compared to others but I love sharing my story because this stuff is Legit and 100% natural. Can't argue with that (well I guess some can). ; )

Nick
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Looking for some advice 2 months 4 days ago #30899

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Thanks for all the info and advice.
I really appreciate it.
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Looking for some advice 2 months 3 days ago #30924

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Curious if anyone knows where I can order some free samples of Red Bali capsules?

I didn't mention in my previous posts that when I had my bad experience that I threw the whole bottle in garbage. Not a good decision on my part.
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