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Soon to be first time user.. lots of concerns 2 months 3 weeks ago #33706

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Hello everyone!

I have been reading up and trying to get familiar with Kratom ever since I heard about it. I just found out there is a store not far from me that sells it so now I am wanting to try.
I do have some questions and concerns.

A little about me and why I want to try:
I have for a long time suffered from chronic pain, anxiety, and depression. I currently take medications for-
Anxiety
Depression
Ankylosing Spondylitis
RA

Those medications include Klonopin, Trintellex, and Norco. Over the years from behind prescribed Norco for pain I have obviously developed a dependency and with the current climate my doctor is wanting to cut it out and instead wanted to give me a muscle relaxer. Idk how that is supposed to help with my bones but whatever.

Once I saw that there is a store near me I got very excited to go there ... like I want to go today.. but I am not sure about what to by and dosage. I don’t know anyone who uses Kratom so that’s why I came here.

I think I would like to consume it in capsule form, but read that “toss and wash” is best... which I think is similar to taking a BC Powder (gross).

Maybe someone could recommend a strain that would be best. I would like some pain relief, withdrawal aid, and energy.

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Soon to be first time user.. lots of concerns 2 months 3 weeks ago #33707

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Hello and welcome to the forum,
First
Please check out posts regarding transitioning off any of your meds to help you determine your dosage, prior opiate medication use usually means you will have a higher dose to start and hopefully members with experience can express their views on your medications and Kratom and help you be as comfortable as possible, talk to your doctor making sure he is going to taper you off any meds he is not willing to continue to prescribe. When I have more time I will try to search for these posts and link them.

Capsules are going to be expensive compared to powder. You will learn this when you shop. You can always cap your own kratom.
Head shop Kratom is usually not the best quality which is why we have an approved vendor list and a section of this forum for reviews to help you shop online.
Some shops like botanical shops can offer quality Kratom like Pa Botanicals.

Read the guide
Check vendors and reviews
Find you working dose and how to dose(caps,toss and wash,oblate discs-I place my powder in a glass and mix with water. Using powder its best to buy a scale for accurate dosing)


Strain recommends
Red for pain and Green for anxiety and mood are good to start with I would try to select up to three Reds and at least 2 greens to start trying.
There is a lot of work and a learning curve with kratom but once it starts to work you will want to put in the effort.

Ask any questions you need

My quick links for you-
Guide
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...-oldies#.XCvgZlxKiUn

Vendors
www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-vendors

www.ilovekratom.com/forum/rate-a-vendor
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Soon to be first time user.. lots of concerns 2 months 3 weeks ago #33708

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, KMGTX!

Nan70 gave you everything you need to get started (don’t buy that stuff near you, preferably).

We have a lot of good experience here for moral support as you go. You’ll be surprised at how easy it is to make the switch. Our minds complicate matters more than the experience itself.

That’s why we keep checking back! Let us know what we can do to help you out.

Happy New Year (special hugs to Nan70 and BoMalley!)
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Soon to be first time user.. lots of concerns 2 months 3 weeks ago #33712

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Not exactly the convo I was thinking about but it has some useful info on tapering a med and replacing with kratom

www.ilovekratom.com/forum/kratom-discuss...e-detox#.XCv3sFxKiUl

Since its the norco the doctor is picking on I tried searching the word norco. I remember reading tapering off norco is a must.

I manage spinal arthritis and about a month after taking kratom when the anti inflammation was kicking in I realized Kratom is a great tool to manage my pain one of the better anti inflammatory botanicals.

Best


Happy New Year to the forum peeps I need a little recovery time from New Years Eve. Looking at my kratom notes seeing if I labeled anything "bring back to life" lol
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Thinking of introducing Kratom to a family member 1 week 6 days ago #35595

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I still consider myself fairly new. I've taken Kratom off and on, mainly for pain, but sometimes just for the mood lift.
My nephew is having a hard time in life. He is diabetic and has real issues with his feet. He had an injury about two years ago and he has just not been able to heal. He's had a couple surgeries but because of this, he hasn't been able to work for a while.
He also went through a bout of depression and turned to alcohol. I can relate, because alcohol was my choice for self medication for a while.
I think Kratom is a miracle. I function better, sleep better, my back pain is under control and I have hopes that I will eventually get off anti-depressants. I don't drink at all, because I don't get the need to self-medicate through alcohol.

The dilemma: I think Kratom could help him on so many levels. Pain relief from the constant foot pain, and also a help to keep from smoking or drinking. However, it is a potentially addictive substance. I don't worry about it because I take low doses and not every day. But I am conflicted about introducing a potentially addictive substance to him. If it keeps him from cigarrettes and alcohol, it might be worth it.

I haven't seen anyone discuss Kratom for a diabetic, so I am cluless as to the impact on blood sugar.
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Thinking of introducing Kratom to a family member 1 week 6 days ago #35596

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Hi Littlebear3! Good to see you here.

My input is this: will the nephew follow your instructions for safe use (do NOT mix with alcohol, etc)?

I know a TON of people that would benefit from the leaf. None are using their drugs of choice responsibly. Many get new body parts instead of using the ones they were born with. Shoulders, knees, etc.

Unless I’m asked by someone willing to try a change, I don’t do it. The couple of times I tried to “save” someone from misery were seriously scary. They abused the leaf IN ADDITION to their drugs or alcohol, got very sick and vomited. Followed by throwing the kratom away. NOT the alcohol/drugs.

Also, people who get surgery because they aren’t willing to try to fix the problems with lifestyle changes are not ready or open minded. In my experience.

The result was continued denial along with “warning” friends about kratom - NOT THE GOAL,

That is just my experience and I’m not willing to risk it again unless I’m asked. Kratom is NOT quick fix for health and it really hurts to be the one who suggested they try it. A “quick fix” is all they want. I can educate them all day long and the end result is still disaster.

I’ve had some success stories with people who FIND OUT ABOUT IT on their own and research the commitment and patience required to safely use it and benefit from it.

I hope this input is helpful to you in deciding if you should be involved in helping someone you care about. I know it’s hard to see suffering and misery, but people DO choose to be eternal victims. Kratom cannot help change their minds in a positive way. Only THEY can change their minds and life.

I know, bummer. Totally.
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Thinking of introducing Kratom to a family member 1 week 6 days ago #35597

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Kratom has actually lowered my blood sugar and I have been able to lower my insulin. Also only thing that has ever worked for treating my chronic insomnia, lowered blood pressure and heart rate, great for my anxiety, and makes me feel good...,in the sense I feel like a "normal" happy person feels before decades of alcohol and drug abuse/use have messed up my brain receptors. Some other things but cant think off them at the moment.

But that being said IMO kratom should not be introduced to someone who is abusing alcohol and other substances.

As a diabetic it is horrible for him to be drinking alcohol as it turns into sugar once in the bodies system.

As Laurie mentioned a person as to want help before they can help themselves. Your intentions are good but he has a lot going on mentally and physically and you dont want to introduce him to kratom until he is serious about getting clean and sober and taking care of himself.
Diabetes is a very srs condition that you start off losing toes, a foot, part of a leg, go blind, organ failure, coma and death.

I wish him the best but he has a lot on his plate to clear off before starting to use kratom.
If he gets clean and sober then all of those positive things you mentioned about kratom are true and as i mentioned should help his blood sugar. But unfortunately he is not ready.
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Thinking of introducing Kratom to a family member 1 week 4 days ago #35648

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You care about your nephew that is clear. It sounds like you want to do anything you can to help him. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I think you should consider taking Kratom with him and see if it’s something he would like to consider.
Kratom takes more effort than other things like smoking & drinking.

If you feel it could help him then it may be worth a try. He might enjoy spending a few hours hanging out with his aunt exploring Kratom for the first time.

Good Luck.. I am glad I found Kratom..
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