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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 3 weeks ago #42552

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Yes Agmatine is Basically used for Kratom Tolerance Lowering. Over time it will Lower your Tolerance. I have tried it & it worked pretty well. Agmatine is usually used for a Pre-Workout Supplement to give you a Better Pump to your Muscles when Lifting Weights. I haven't taken it in a long time. So I don't know exactly the Best Way to Utilize it. I would guess that you would Slowly & Continually Lower your Kratom Dosage while Taking Agmatine everyday until you are able to get your Tolerance down a bit while Taking Less & getting the Same Effects. This will take some time I'm Sure. In My Experience Tolerance Lowering takes at Least a Month or More before you will actually Notice a Difference in how much less you will be able to take but Everybody will be Different.

The amino acid arginine has been used in various forms to promote increased blood flow and vascularity through the production of nitric oxide. Its popularity can be seen in a wide variety of cardiovascular health products, as well as in a majority of the pre-workout supplements that are currently available on the market. More recent discoveries have shown that agmatine, the decarboxylation product of the amino acid arginine, may show a positive response in increasing the amount of nitric oxide that is produced in the human body, along with several other potential health benefits.

Agmatine is derived from arginine using a chemical reaction that eliminates the carboxylic acid end from the molecule. The resulting structure serves to regulate the production of nitric oxide synthase (NOS), which then influences the amount of nitric oxide that is released into the bloodstream. Increased blood flow, in turn, creates an increase in the amount of vital nutrients and oxygen that can be supplied to the muscles, which is a key component in healthy exercise. This has led many to label agmatine as a form of “Super Arginine.”*

Studies suggest that agmatine may also be responsible for the production and release of several peptide hormones, including the growth hormone (GH), luteinizing hormone (LH), and pituitary hormone. As a neurotransmitter, agmatine is released through the process of membrane depolarization to block NMDA receptors and other cation ligand-gated channels. This poses the potential for increased learning and memory functions.
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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 3 weeks ago #42541

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Hey Babel ,

Do you use the agmatine solely as a supplement or and also for Kratom lowering ?? I did get a big bag from Bulk Supplements after your suggestion some time ago, but haven’t been utilizing it .. was meant to be used to lower my Kratom dosage ... first time worked pretty well, I took 2/3 less than my reg dose , and was almost floored , I did take a pretty high dose compared to what I remeberbyou suggesting ... I think I took 1/2 or 1 tsp.. what ever the max dosage says on the bag ....


How do you utilize agamtine ? For working out or Kratom or both..? What’s your regimen? That’s basically my question..!! How, when , why !!

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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 3 weeks ago #42490

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Pfiffle wrote: Babel, would those two supplements help recover? I'm addicted to heavy lfting and couldn't imagine cutting it out of my routine. I only go heavy once a week or two to test wherever im at ,
other sessions are more moderate bodybuilding.
Thanks as always Laurie. I'm have a history with alcohol
But can't seem to get past 4 d beers anymore (from30!)


Agmatine works like the Arginine it's derived from, but its effect on getting a better pump is more pronounced. Glutamine is the basic building block for all soft tissue, and with it your body can right away start repairing the muscle tissue that got stressed in the workout.

Dr. Atkins devotes over three pages to it in his nutrition book. I just checked it and he said he used it to treat addictions, including alcohol, and sugar cravings. Good for colitis as well.

Not to be a shill for bulk supplements, but my third kilo of it arrived a couple of weeks ago, lol. I ordered my first one in April of 2018.

www.ecosia.org/search?q=dr.+atkins+and+glutamine
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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 3 weeks ago #42476

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Laurie wrote: Please be careful. A friend in his 30’s uses too much kratom and probably too many steroids FOR PUMPING IRON and he just had BOTH HIPS REPLACED because he didn’t feel pain signals (kratom) and didn’t care (steroids).

You guys MUST be checked once a year for osteoporosis -<—-that’s the diagnosis that got him new hips in his freaking 30’s.

I get it regarding the 4 beers.


So this goes against all the "evidence" that we are told about osteoporosis ie that weight bearing exercise strengthens bones.
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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 3 weeks ago #42468

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Please be careful. A friend in his 30’s uses too much kratom and probably too many steroids FOR PUMPING IRON and he just had BOTH HIPS REPLACED because he didn’t feel pain signals (kratom) and didn’t care (steroids).

You guys MUST be checked once a year for osteoporosis -<—-that’s the diagnosis that got him new hips in his freaking 30’s.

I get it regarding the 4 beers.
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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 3 weeks ago #42466

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Babel, would those two supplements help recover? I'm addicted to heavy lfting and couldn't imagine cutting it out of my routine. I only go heavy once a week or two to test wherever im at ,
other sessions are more moderate bodybuilding.
Thanks as always Laurie. I'm have a history with alcohol
But can't seem to get past 4 d beers anymore (from30!)
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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 3 weeks ago #42450

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You have my Sympathy For The Day, Pfiffle..live n learn.

One or the other.

The eff dee yay is probably not happy with alcohol sales figures since their propaganda campaign let EVERYONE know about kratom as most people do not choose alcohol instead (from my experience sharing experiences over several years, nothing scientific necessarily)
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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 3 weeks ago #42449

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Pfiffle wrote: ... a heavy Squat and Deadlift workout ...


Maybe also some adrenal exhaustion, and with a temporarily lowered testosterone level on top. Your T levels rebound within a day or two to a high level after such a heavy workout, but combining squats and deadlifts is a "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" workout.

P.S. You take Agmatine prior, and L-Glutamine after, such a heavy session?
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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 3 weeks ago #42431

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I did it last night. 4 beers and about 10 grams. Not that great of a mix. Did not compliment each other very well. And I feel hung over today which shouldn't happen on 4 Miller Lites. I did it directly after a heavy Squat and Deadlift workout so maybe dehydration? Whatever, I won't be doing that again any time soon.
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Kratom and alcohol 10 months 4 weeks ago #42354

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I have no problems BUT I seldom use any alcohol any more.

However, I find I can enjoy a glass of wine (or 2 or 3) or even a couple of cocktails even with my usual Kratom intake (3 times per day).

BUT, I have never really felt any mood effects from Kratom and Cannabis makes me terribly depressed so probably something unusual about my neurotransmitters?

BUT Kratom and alcohol no problem for me.
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