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"Whole Herbs" Headshop kratom 1 month 3 weeks ago #35157

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Today I purchased a 3 oz bag of Red Bali, running out of my first Red Maeng Da from *unapproved vendor*. I did less today because I hadn't dosed since midnight last night and am practicing my tolerance moderation. I did eyeball the dose but didn't figure anything was wrong with this. I took about half a teaspoon, even taking some black pepper and turmeric (granted, not a teaspoons worth) 25 minutes before dosing.

I felt after an hour and a half the results were rather weak. It was somewhat sedative but didn't give me the silky feeling. Perhaps the dose was too small, perhaps the maeng da from RH was just better. I decided to combine it with the (I guess) 2-ish grams left of the maeng da and just got a headache.
I'll try again tonight at midnight and see if we can get there. I don't want to build tolerance and ruin my experience even though I've only been dosing for a week! (I have no opiate tolerance)

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"Whole Herbs" Headshop kratom 1 month 3 weeks ago #35158

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I feel like you will get better results by purchasing quality Kratom from approved vendors on this Forum.
I understand the need to go to the smoke shop..
However, taking Kratom on a daily basis requires some work and effort. You find 2-4 vendors and order from each of them collecting several colors and strains from each of them.
It will take work, effort , and part of your budget to stay on top of ordering, receiving, and taking your Kratom. Waiting for a shipment can be the hardest and most frustrating part. That is another reason to order from multiple vendors. You always have something on the way.
Once you get a collection of several strains/ colors you can rotate quality leaf on different days of the week. This is needed to overcome tolerance issues.
When you have several Kratom options you will be able to relax and enjoy your Kratom experiences. Once you have a collection of Kratom to work with.
I mix 2-4 different starins everytime I take Kratom. I rotate the starins and colors according to morning or night. Working or relaxing. I have certain Kratom I use on the weekends.
This is your Kratom adventure. We are here to answer any questions and provide experience.

Smoke Shop Kratom is not up to the same standards as ILK Approved Vendors..

Good Luck with your Kratom adventure...
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"Whole Herbs" Headshop kratom 1 month 3 weeks ago #35175

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It seems this strain of red bali doesn't lend itself at all to stimulation at lower doses. I took 3x as much as I did at the end of the night, and may have overdosed a gram or 2, and was very sedated. Now I see why Maeng Das are widely regarded as mostly stimulant, and Balis as sedative.
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I don’t find Red Bali to be sedating but that’s me. You might want to try Red Bali from Inland Botanicals or Pharmacy Dropout. It’s been awhile since I tried PDO’s Red Bali but when I ordered from him RB was always part of my order. It might be my all time go to strain.
I think I like it better than RMD. I say, I think cuz it’s hard for me to pinpoint differences btwn strains unless one stands out. I recently included RB in my order from Inland and found it to be uplifting and good for pain.
II’ve been taking kratom for 2 1/2 years and I’m still trying to figure out my preferences and they can change. So you will definitely have to experiment.
It’s nothing like taking a partucular Med and consistently getting same effect. Jazzfan gave you a lot of good advice. Keep trying. The approved vendors that I’ve tried have all been great.

As for headaches, I only get them when I take too much kratom or I don’t drink enough water. So that could be your problem too. I’ve alsoheard other ppl say that certain kratom gives them headaches. Good luck
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"Whole Herbs" Headshop kratom 1 month 3 weeks ago #35195

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New thoughts: I think a lot of strains need to be taken twice before the brain finally recognizes the effects. I tried less than I did yesterday at midnight, but the same as I did the first time I took RB in the evening and noticed the effects were better this time. I think kratom needs an initial activation dose to notice results.
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"Whole Herbs" Headshop kratom 1 month 3 weeks ago #35196

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I think you’ll find there is no set pattern as to what to expect EXCEPT taking too much will sedate and/or cause vomiting.

The metabolism in your body is not EXACTLY THE SAME and kratom is not as reliable as we would like.

It’s definitely not as “reliable” as pills. But I found pills equally variable and ultimately disappointing AS WELL AS physically hugely addicting.

Keep notes on vendor, dose size and weight, time, what you ate.

There will be some assistance from your notes, but everything is subject to change with plant material. Every time. In my opinion.
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