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TOPIC: Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME

Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 6 months 4 weeks ago #38432

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At the suggestion of member Laurie (thank you!) I purchased some stem and vein from the vendor Tea Time. My goal was to lower my tolerance because I wasn't feeling much of the regular leaf anymore at my 2g dose. I refused to increase my dose, so instead I figured to give S&V a try. However, it appears the S&V hits me stronger than regular leaf. I'm on day 4 of the S&V and every burn gives me energy and euphoria. I burned 2 to 3 times daily of 2g per dose. And I'm feeling almost like the honeymoon phase with regular leaf several years back.

I'm a little concerned because I didn't expect to feel the stem & vein so strongly. I expected for it just to keep away the withdrawals. So I'm wondering if the vendor's S&V is mixed with regular leaf or something? I'm not sure if it's lowering my tolerance if I feel it so nicely. So I'm either going to drop to 1G to see how it goes. Or just forget the S&V and take a t-break CT.

Is anybody familiar with Tea Time's stem & vein? Or even S&V in general?
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 6 months 4 weeks ago #38439

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I sampled the Tea Time Botanical regular stem n vein and it is regular stem n vein. Looked and tasted like it came in the same batch I got from another vendor. But. She carries a few colors of it that I haven’t tried. Do you know if yours is a “colored” one? Mine has been a combination and it does, indeed possess entirely different alkaloids! I still add it to my regular leaf or take it at night to lower tolerance while I’m sleeping because tolerance goes up no matter what if kratom is used daily. I know she plans on getting some other varieties of the plant soon, Hirsuta and Javanica and I’m first in line to try those, also.

By using stem n vein at night especially , I do not experience sweating or any other physical characteristics of tolerance increase.

I do not have the same reaction that you are, Rich. But I DID the first time I tried it years ago. Definitely adjust accordingly. I’m so happy to hear that you’re not disappointed with my suggestion. That’s great!

I tend to think that the entire plant material and alkaloids are healthful, but that is only a hunch from experience with it, NOT backed by science or a YouTube video or research or a google search or an old encyclopedia or ANYTHING except gut instinct is to use it on and off but most evenings I sleep well and straight through the night by using it.

I would not be concerned about it being something else. But you CAN reach out to them and have your batch number checked! It should be on the bottom, right front of your bag. My access to her Stem n Vein packaging is no mas, actually, because it was a SAMPLE. But that’s where she puts batch numbers on the other bags I have from them. Wouldn’t hurt to inquire with them about it because they run a tip top business and I’m sure they’ll be able to verify it as authentic or perhaps something else in error.

Give them a call or send an email to ease your mind.

Congratulations on 4 days of stem n vein! That’s great, even tho you’re ENJOYING IT, lol!
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 6 months 3 weeks ago #38468

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Thanks Laurie I'll reach out to her. Indeed, I agree they run a legit business and I trust their product. If anything, it was either an error, and I received leaf or blend of S&V with leaf. Or it's also possible my tolerance was not high as I thought, and thus, I'm able to feel the stem & vein as if it's leaf. I do rotate a lot of strains and rarely take the same strain/batch more than 1-2 times per month. I did read on reddit some people actually do feel the S&V as strong or even stronger. So I guess I'm not the only one. At last resort, I'll go CT for a week and see how it goes. I'm on day 5 now and still no withdrawal symptoms other than little sniffles on says 2-3.

Thannks again for all your advice! :)
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 6 months 3 weeks ago #38480

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Please get back to us when you’ve come to some conclusions (time will tell). I’m betting your leaf tolerance is STILL going down. If you cut your s&v use, you’ll be more successful at a full reset. 2 weeks is about the length of time recommended.

Not scientifically proven. Just self discovery and sharing with others.

I’ll be interested to hear how thrilled you are when you have completed this project and start leaf again. Or not! Haha
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 4 months 1 week ago #41748

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My order of the "White" S&V arrived today. I took it at 4:00 PM (1.5 grams, first dose of the day), it's 6:23 PM now, and it feels like it came up slower than regular Kratom, and it lacks some of the analgesic affect, but it works nicely for mood. It might have legs. For my next dose I'll go with one gram of the Super MD from Hudson Botanicals, and a half gram of the S&V, and I'll see if I feel any synergistic effect from the combination.

I'm a night owl, so my schedule allows for a third/final dose at 11 PM, my second one at 7:30 PM. Some days it will be 3:30 PM, then 7:30 PM, then 11:30 PM.

P.S. My lower back is tender today, and that might be messing up my appreciation of the S&V's analgesic properties. And/or maybe that effect comes up slower in S&V because on reflection, and after another 20 minutes, I think it maybe scores OK in that regard.

Lol, I don't know to score it in that regard, as my main reason for using it is to taper off the way the regular stuff hits the opioid receptors.

But now I'm reading about how there are other alkaloids in Kratom that work on inflammation. Cat's Claw has that alkaloid as well, and it's part of my morning and evening supplement regime.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitraphylline

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncaria_tomentosa

Dr. Atkins, the Atkins Diet guy, has a book that list supplements (Dr. Atkins Vita-Nutrient Solution), and though it's a bit dated now, he listed Cat's Claw as (let me quote) " ... the closest thing yet to a universal panacea". He said he used it to treat his patients. He made it clear he was recommending Uncaria Tomentosa. The other common variety lacks isopterodine.
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 4 months 1 week ago #41749

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Thanks for the reminder! I haven’t had those alternative alkaloids in a while (my KFF keeps getting bumped to a different day. Like you with smoking - I’ll do it when I’m ready).
Congratulations to you on the quitting. I’ve got one year nicotine free this week also! I still crave the nicotine, but don’t miss the habit or the expense.

Those extra alkaloids feel like a vitamin supplement sort of. I keep S&V handy in my rotation for days like this (I was up early after a late night and could use a boost for my next commitment tonight).

Thanks for posting as you go, Babel-17!
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 4 months 1 week ago #41751

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New post in the thread so that's an excuse to not edit my last one again. :)

The S&V is showing real legs so I'm holding off until 8 PM for my next dose of Kratom. I measured out a gram of the Super MD, and 500 mg. of the S&V for that.
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 4 months 5 days ago #42063

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Just noticed another approved ILK vendor has Stem n Vein back in:

kratomeye.com/kratom-shop/deep-red-green...tem-and-vein-powder/
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