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TOPIC: Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME

Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 2 weeks 2 days ago #38432

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At the suggestion of member Laurie (thank you!) I purchased some stem and vein from the vendor Tea Time. My goal was to lower my tolerance because I wasn't feeling much of the regular leaf anymore at my 2g dose. I refused to increase my dose, so instead I figured to give S&V a try. However, it appears the S&V hits me stronger than regular leaf. I'm on day 4 of the S&V and every burn gives me energy and euphoria. I burned 2 to 3 times daily of 2g per dose. And I'm feeling almost like the honeymoon phase with regular leaf several years back.

I'm a little concerned because I didn't expect to feel the stem & vein so strongly. I expected for it just to keep away the withdrawals. So I'm wondering if the vendor's S&V is mixed with regular leaf or something? I'm not sure if it's lowering my tolerance if I feel it so nicely. So I'm either going to drop to 1G to see how it goes. Or just forget the S&V and take a t-break CT.

Is anybody familiar with Tea Time's stem & vein? Or even S&V in general?
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 2 weeks 2 days ago #38439

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I sampled the Tea Time Botanical regular stem n vein and it is regular stem n vein. Looked and tasted like it came in the same batch I got from another vendor. But. She carries a few colors of it that I haven’t tried. Do you know if yours is a “colored” one? Mine has been a combination and it does, indeed possess entirely different alkaloids! I still add it to my regular leaf or take it at night to lower tolerance while I’m sleeping because tolerance goes up no matter what if kratom is used daily. I know she plans on getting some other varieties of the plant soon, Hirsuta and Javanica and I’m first in line to try those, also.

By using stem n vein at night especially , I do not experience sweating or any other physical characteristics of tolerance increase.

I do not have the same reaction that you are, Rich. But I DID the first time I tried it years ago. Definitely adjust accordingly. I’m so happy to hear that you’re not disappointed with my suggestion. That’s great!

I tend to think that the entire plant material and alkaloids are healthful, but that is only a hunch from experience with it, NOT backed by science or a YouTube video or research or a google search or an old encyclopedia or ANYTHING except gut instinct is to use it on and off but most evenings I sleep well and straight through the night by using it.

I would not be concerned about it being something else. But you CAN reach out to them and have your batch number checked! It should be on the bottom, right front of your bag. My access to her Stem n Vein packaging is no mas, actually, because it was a SAMPLE. But that’s where she puts batch numbers on the other bags I have from them. Wouldn’t hurt to inquire with them about it because they run a tip top business and I’m sure they’ll be able to verify it as authentic or perhaps something else in error.

Give them a call or send an email to ease your mind.

Congratulations on 4 days of stem n vein! That’s great, even tho you’re ENJOYING IT, lol!
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 2 weeks 1 day ago #38468

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Thanks Laurie I'll reach out to her. Indeed, I agree they run a legit business and I trust their product. If anything, it was either an error, and I received leaf or blend of S&V with leaf. Or it's also possible my tolerance was not high as I thought, and thus, I'm able to feel the stem & vein as if it's leaf. I do rotate a lot of strains and rarely take the same strain/batch more than 1-2 times per month. I did read on reddit some people actually do feel the S&V as strong or even stronger. So I guess I'm not the only one. At last resort, I'll go CT for a week and see how it goes. I'm on day 5 now and still no withdrawal symptoms other than little sniffles on says 2-3.

Thannks again for all your advice! :)
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Stem & Vein Feels Stronger Than Plain Leaf IME 2 weeks 1 day ago #38480

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Please get back to us when you’ve come to some conclusions (time will tell). I’m betting your leaf tolerance is STILL going down. If you cut your s&v use, you’ll be more successful at a full reset. 2 weeks is about the length of time recommended.

Not scientifically proven. Just self discovery and sharing with others.

I’ll be interested to hear how thrilled you are when you have completed this project and start leaf again. Or not! Haha
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