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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42380

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I do have a bit of dependence going on because of this “task dosing”, but it eases off quickly with a simple capsule or two when the kratom withdrawals are evident (for me, this is achy all over, just barely. If busy, it’s not noticeable). Continue to rest and only use a capsule or two the rest of the day prn (as needed) except for one lowish to normal dose for one more commitment this afternoon. By morning I’m back to the same basic 1.5 tsp dose size with pretty good benefits.

Robie, I tend to wonder if you can replace that ibuprofen with an anti inflammatory herb? Have you tried akuamma or incarvillea sinensis instead? I sympathize with that very real need.

I was so glad I ran like the wind while my pain was managed earlier today. Got lots done for Mom to have a nice home while I’m dog sitting (starts Thursday). Only vacuuming and bedding left to do by Wed afternoon. Fellowship meetings as well. And grocery shopping is partially done. I barely got food on our lunch plates when my muscles started cramping up! Now I’m walking around like a 90 year old - staying lying down until my evening meeting.

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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42379

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This is interesting. I have been pretty rigid about sticking to my 2 grams in the morning. The last few days have been stressful and I took another gram a few hours after the first dose. My greatest concern is that I would slip into upping my tolerance. So, if I go a bit higher for a week, will that reall impact my tolerance? I have every intention of returning to normal dosage after some of my life challenges settle down.

I guess I want a little encouragement that I am doing ok. I remind myself that there are many people with years of Kratom under their belt that do fine. I'm a little jumpy about the potential for dependence.
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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42378

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Good afternoon Laurie! It's so very nice to see you! I hope all is well with your mother? I'm exhausted thinking about what you are doing today. That requires a lot of energy which has been in very short supply for me lately. I've upped my dosage to 2 teaspoons every 3 to 4 hours. I think I just have a lot of problems that have been converging all at the same time lately. I'm doing my best to stay positive. I don't relish the thought of a life with 4 to 6 Advil's a day. That stuff messes with my head. I know that doesn't sound plausible but it really does skew my view. But when my pain hits I take them or it would be much worse than it is. Maybe I'll do some mixing. I rotate frequently. It's more than likely my whole body and what I've been dealing with the past few weeks. I hope it eases and soon though.

It's always wonderful to see you Laurie. I hope all is well in your world.

Be blessed.

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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42377

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I’m trying to get my chores done by having smaller doses more frequently this morning/afternoon and then taper off early and rest this afternoon. I have been struck by a miracle today, so I finished the floors, space rugs are almost done, spiderweb project is underway between breaks and all must be completed before eating anything substantial.

I’ll need to have almost no kratom for most of this afternoon until my last bit around 4:30.

Maybe there’s something in there you can use? Probably not. Sounds like you’re doing everything we taught you.

I suspect you are not allowing yourself a proper total usage. Admittedly I use more than ideal. It is what it is. I used much less yesterday all day.
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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42376

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Good morning everyone. (waving mildly) How are you all? Laurie, Nan, BoMalley and Petunia? I hope your mother's are doing better? I feel great empathy for those taking care of their mother. It can be a very hard task. I'm remembering my own beloved mother. It's almost like taking care of a very large child going through their "terrible two's". The ever expanding NO in their vocabulary. It's very frustrating. I truly hope all is getting better for you.

I logged on today and saw this dosage thread. I'm open to all suggestions on improving the efficacy of the Kratom. I will not consider concentrates. I'd much rather stay with the leaf in it's most basic form. That being said. I'm very open to all suggestions for improving the pain relieving properties of Kratom. I use turmeric. I even have a capsule press thingy and use turmeric and pepper. I take my kratom with a little lemon juice. But I still have to take 4 to 6 advil a day to control my pain. I don't like doing that. It's hard on my kidney's and I can definitely feel it being hard on my kidney's.

I hope everyone has a wonderful day. It's always nice to see everyone.

Be blessed in all things,

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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42370

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I think you’ll want to put lemon in the tea at some point where it can be useful for alkaloid release into the tea ?!

I’m still reading up on how to do that right - my short attention span has me yakking here instead of reading up on that stuff.

I tried sublingual years ago and it was impossible. Might work with those rice paper discs..

So much MORE TO LEARN!
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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42366

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I Totally Forget that the Stomach Acids Completely Destroy some of the Alkaloids that can be Absorbed Sublingually under the Tongue. It really does work under the Tongue. You just have to keep it under your Tongue long enough. I would say keep it under your Tongue at least 20 Minutes to get those Certain Alkaloids Absorbed Fully & then Toss N Wash it down. You can add some Lemon Juice or Black Pepper to Help your Body Absorb the Alkaloids better. You can use Lemon Juice when making Kratom Tea as well to help Extract the Alkaloids better.

I can tell you that it seems that when making Tea out of Kratom it does Destroy some of the Alkaloids which is good & bad. Also the Tea seems to make some of the Alkaloids more Pronounced than if Tossed N Washed. The Mood Lift is more Smoother & not as Strong with the Tea Method but lasts longer. The Good is that is that the Bad Side Effects are no longer a problem like the Wobbles, Dizziness or Headaches. The Bad is that the Effects like the Mood Lift are not as Strong or as Pronounced as when you Toss N Wash it.

The Kratom Tea seems to be right in the middle of effects. The Tea is Stronger than taking Capsules but not as strong as Toss N Wash. Seems like the Tea Lasts much Longer than Toss N Wash. Toss N Wash is the Strongest Way to take Kratom but the Duration of Effects is the shortest for sure. Capsules seem to be the Weakest in my opinion & take much longer to come on than any other Method. Probably because not all of the Capsules are Properly Digested all at the same exact time.

I can tell you that the Tea Method is much easier on the Body than any other Method. I have to make a Gallon of Tea at a time to last a couple of days for me. Might have to go up to making several Gallons at a time to lasts a week at a time. The Hardest thing about making the Tea is Straining the Powder out of the Tea because the Powder is just so Fine. It's Impossible to Strain out all of the Powder. That's why it's much Easier to use Crushed Leaves to make Tea because the Straining is so much Easier than the Powder. Crushed Leaves seem to make a Stronger Brew as well.
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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42365

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Another way of saying it’s all in your gut as to how it breaks down and absorbs into the body ... hmmm, I’m wanting to know how to encourage better absorption... better life span with my doses ... it sure is amazing the alkaloids that are weaker and felt stronger by taking less..
Makes really good sense to me ... thx Bomalley... thx Laurie..... I’ve read some folks put approx 1/4-1/2 gram under the tongue to absorb sublingually ... I’m gonna give that a try... it’s said it takes affect faster but doesn’t last as long .... I love this leaf , it’s riddle I don’t mind trying to figure out more and more ... very grateful for all of you !! And this thing called Kratom (L) big smiles , high fives , much love

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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42364

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You forgot to mention the stuff about how the alkaloids are processed by acids in the stomach or they go through the colon before even activating properly! LOL
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Question about dosage :) 10 months 3 weeks ago #42363

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bev, you are awesome!

but im sure you know that. a lot more clear than mud to me.. and it explains why the 'less is more' usually doesn't work for me. at least with a long work day. I usually need a heftier dose. and yes I still rotate companies and strains ect. even do a custom blend. I need to find a good naturopath..
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