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Question about dosage :) 1 month 5 days ago #42362

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Understanding dosage and "less is more" really requires an understanding of the various alkaloids in Kratom.

SOME alkaloids bring pain relief and probably some sedation, SOME give a mood lift and SOME are stimulaing.

Those various alkaloids appear in different ratios in the different colors with the reds having a higher concentration of the pain relieving/sedating alkaloids and the whites have much less of those and more of the stimulating ones.

Some of the alkaloids are stronger than others so reducing the dose will give you less of the stronger ones and the weaker alkaloids can shine. This might be WHY some people get a better effect from a smaller dose. They want the action of the weaker alkaloids and therefore a smaller dose does more for them.

So it really is about experimentation to find out what works for you.

I have NEVER found that less is better but then I use mostly for pain relief. These alkaloids are in smaller numbers and higher doses are necessary to get the effect I need.

I aso use Kratom for some sedation to help with sleep, so I need the higher doses to get enough of those sedating alkaloids to get that effect. Smaller doses of reds allow the stimulating alkaloids to shine through but at higher doses the sedating alkaloids can over power them and help me sleep.

clear as mud?

BTW this is precisely why pharmaceutical companies and doctors do not like herbal products. A complete plant product has many chemicals that work togethe, and it is difficult to pinpoint EXACTLY which one is causing the sought after therapeutic effects.

They prefer to have the various chemicals isolated and delivered one at a time so they can isolate which ones are having which effects.

Medical herbalists of course, are used to working with herbs and are used to trying out various combinations to see what works best. It is just what they do.
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Question about dosage :) 1 month 5 days ago #42363

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bev, you are awesome!

but im sure you know that. a lot more clear than mud to me.. and it explains why the 'less is more' usually doesn't work for me. at least with a long work day. I usually need a heftier dose. and yes I still rotate companies and strains ect. even do a custom blend. I need to find a good naturopath..
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Question about dosage :) 1 month 5 days ago #42364

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You forgot to mention the stuff about how the alkaloids are processed by acids in the stomach or they go through the colon before even activating properly! LOL
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Question about dosage :) 1 month 5 days ago #42365

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Another way of saying it’s all in your gut as to how it breaks down and absorbs into the body ... hmmm, I’m wanting to know how to encourage better absorption... better life span with my doses ... it sure is amazing the alkaloids that are weaker and felt stronger by taking less..
Makes really good sense to me ... thx Bomalley... thx Laurie..... I’ve read some folks put approx 1/4-1/2 gram under the tongue to absorb sublingually ... I’m gonna give that a try... it’s said it takes affect faster but doesn’t last as long .... I love this leaf , it’s riddle I don’t mind trying to figure out more and more ... very grateful for all of you !! And this thing called Kratom (L) big smiles , high fives , much love
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Question about dosage :) 1 month 4 days ago #42366

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I Totally Forget that the Stomach Acids Completely Destroy some of the Alkaloids that can be Absorbed Sublingually under the Tongue. It really does work under the Tongue. You just have to keep it under your Tongue long enough. I would say keep it under your Tongue at least 20 Minutes to get those Certain Alkaloids Absorbed Fully & then Toss N Wash it down. You can add some Lemon Juice or Black Pepper to Help your Body Absorb the Alkaloids better. You can use Lemon Juice when making Kratom Tea as well to help Extract the Alkaloids better.

I can tell you that it seems that when making Tea out of Kratom it does Destroy some of the Alkaloids which is good & bad. Also the Tea seems to make some of the Alkaloids more Pronounced than if Tossed N Washed. The Mood Lift is more Smoother & not as Strong with the Tea Method but lasts longer. The Good is that is that the Bad Side Effects are no longer a problem like the Wobbles, Dizziness or Headaches. The Bad is that the Effects like the Mood Lift are not as Strong or as Pronounced as when you Toss N Wash it.

The Kratom Tea seems to be right in the middle of effects. The Tea is Stronger than taking Capsules but not as strong as Toss N Wash. Seems like the Tea Lasts much Longer than Toss N Wash. Toss N Wash is the Strongest Way to take Kratom but the Duration of Effects is the shortest for sure. Capsules seem to be the Weakest in my opinion & take much longer to come on than any other Method. Probably because not all of the Capsules are Properly Digested all at the same exact time.

I can tell you that the Tea Method is much easier on the Body than any other Method. I have to make a Gallon of Tea at a time to last a couple of days for me. Might have to go up to making several Gallons at a time to lasts a week at a time. The Hardest thing about making the Tea is Straining the Powder out of the Tea because the Powder is just so Fine. It's Impossible to Strain out all of the Powder. That's why it's much Easier to use Crushed Leaves to make Tea because the Straining is so much Easier than the Powder. Crushed Leaves seem to make a Stronger Brew as well.
If anybody has any Questions about Kratom please private message me or make a Post & I will be glad to answer as soon as I can usually within 24 hours if not sooner. I'm usually on really late at night Between Midnight & 5am.
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Question about dosage :) 1 month 4 days ago #42370

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I think you’ll want to put lemon in the tea at some point where it can be useful for alkaloid release into the tea ?!

I’m still reading up on how to do that right - my short attention span has me yakking here instead of reading up on that stuff.

I tried sublingual years ago and it was impossible. Might work with those rice paper discs..

So much MORE TO LEARN!
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Question about dosage :) 1 month 4 days ago #42376

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Good morning everyone. (waving mildly) How are you all? Laurie, Nan, BoMalley and Petunia? I hope your mother's are doing better? I feel great empathy for those taking care of their mother. It can be a very hard task. I'm remembering my own beloved mother. It's almost like taking care of a very large child going through their "terrible two's". The ever expanding NO in their vocabulary. It's very frustrating. I truly hope all is getting better for you.

I logged on today and saw this dosage thread. I'm open to all suggestions on improving the efficacy of the Kratom. I will not consider concentrates. I'd much rather stay with the leaf in it's most basic form. That being said. I'm very open to all suggestions for improving the pain relieving properties of Kratom. I use turmeric. I even have a capsule press thingy and use turmeric and pepper. I take my kratom with a little lemon juice. But I still have to take 4 to 6 advil a day to control my pain. I don't like doing that. It's hard on my kidney's and I can definitely feel it being hard on my kidney's.

I hope everyone has a wonderful day. It's always nice to see everyone.

Be blessed in all things,

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Question about dosage :) 1 month 4 days ago #42377

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I’m trying to get my chores done by having smaller doses more frequently this morning/afternoon and then taper off early and rest this afternoon. I have been struck by a miracle today, so I finished the floors, space rugs are almost done, spiderweb project is underway between breaks and all must be completed before eating anything substantial.

I’ll need to have almost no kratom for most of this afternoon until my last bit around 4:30.

Maybe there’s something in there you can use? Probably not. Sounds like you’re doing everything we taught you.

I suspect you are not allowing yourself a proper total usage. Admittedly I use more than ideal. It is what it is. I used much less yesterday all day.
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Question about dosage :) 1 month 4 days ago #42378

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Good afternoon Laurie! It's so very nice to see you! I hope all is well with your mother? I'm exhausted thinking about what you are doing today. That requires a lot of energy which has been in very short supply for me lately. I've upped my dosage to 2 teaspoons every 3 to 4 hours. I think I just have a lot of problems that have been converging all at the same time lately. I'm doing my best to stay positive. I don't relish the thought of a life with 4 to 6 Advil's a day. That stuff messes with my head. I know that doesn't sound plausible but it really does skew my view. But when my pain hits I take them or it would be much worse than it is. Maybe I'll do some mixing. I rotate frequently. It's more than likely my whole body and what I've been dealing with the past few weeks. I hope it eases and soon though.

It's always wonderful to see you Laurie. I hope all is well in your world.

Be blessed.

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Question about dosage :) 1 month 4 days ago #42379

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This is interesting. I have been pretty rigid about sticking to my 2 grams in the morning. The last few days have been stressful and I took another gram a few hours after the first dose. My greatest concern is that I would slip into upping my tolerance. So, if I go a bit higher for a week, will that reall impact my tolerance? I have every intention of returning to normal dosage after some of my life challenges settle down.

I guess I want a little encouragement that I am doing ok. I remind myself that there are many people with years of Kratom under their belt that do fine. I'm a little jumpy about the potential for dependence.
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