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Aches and Pain Relief - Please suggest alternative strains! 1 week 5 days ago #43079

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Hi Folks!
I'm 70 years old, and I'm fortunate to still surf at a fairly high level, dividing my time between the East Coast and Costa Rica.
But I have, as might be expected collected some chronic aches and pains over the years, especially after more strenuous sessions, in larger surf conditions.

The primary reason to join this group, was to find some alternatives to my favorite strains, as I believe mixing up my intake keeps the results of each one fresh and active.

I'm only interested in the strongest analgesic varieties, that relieve pain, and aches .... euphoric or energetic strains, are something I keep around in small amounts, .....But not what I depend on to keep surfing in challenging conditions.

The best I have found is Quick Kratom's Premium Bali, with a close second to going to Mitragaia's Elephant Bali. Mitragaia's prices are much lower, and the condition of the Kratom, may be a bit fresher (I'm not qualified judge of that).

What other supplier/strains can the Group suggest for a STRONG Analgesic?
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Aches and Pain Relief - Please suggest alternative strains! 1 week 5 days ago #43082

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I won’t reply to your post except to point out that I relocated the request to the area set aside for all vendors.

The APPROVED VENDORS of this website worked hard for the privilege of free marketing and fee free listings.

Non participating vendors are welcome to be discussed in the FIND A VENDOR / RATE A VENDOR section of the forum.

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Aches and Pain Relief - Please suggest alternative strains! 1 week 5 days ago #43084

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Kratom is so subjective to individual body chemistry this is a hard one
But my go to vendors and strains are- BTW I manage chronic pain for spinal arthritis I tend to like strains that are heavy in the anti inflammation alkaloids...

Pa Botnicals- Yellow Borneo, Emerald Green, Cambodian Green
Re-leaf llc- Green Sundra, Green Kali (they no longer name their kratom like this would need to ask)
Insense Botanicals- Green Hulu, Green Thai

I use these for pain releif and energy for work

Reds-
Insense/goldleaf- Red Hulu. Chocolate Borneo. Red Sumutra
Laughing Lion- Red Malay
Pharmarcy DropOut- Red Maeng Da
Online Kratom-Parvati Red Thai
I use these for End of the day pain relief.


Forum Favorite highly reviewed
Christopher's Botanicals
Nature's Cure
Inland Botanicals
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Aches and Pain Relief - Please suggest alternative strains! 1 week 5 days ago #43085

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Hey Laurie and Nan,
Y'all have the day off also?

The grandkids just left so I can play on the forum until Liz gets jealous and I have to leave. :lol:

I don't know if you got an email from PAB but they are having a labor day sale of 20% off (Promo Code: LaborDay20) or $50 pounds (Promo Code: 50LB). It ends on Wednesday.

Nan, I ordered some of the coconut oil. Only $3 for 16oz but the shipping is $13.54. I can't wait to see if it works for me also.

Welcome oldfartsurfer, PAB's Red Fibro is good for pain but it is very sedating for me. If your an opposite and reds give you pep then this might work for you. I have to mix it with 1:2 with white MD to tone it down from putting me to sleep.
Have you tried Incarvillea Sinensis for pain. I find it works as well as kratom or even better. This also causes some sedation for me but not as much as the red fibro does.
There are other botanicals that are mentioned on this forum also such as akuamma, corydalis, and chuchuhuasi. There are a lot more but I don't remember them off the top of my head.
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Aches and Pain Relief - Please suggest alternative strains! 1 week 5 days ago #43093

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hey oldfartsurfer!

me personally I get sedation from 90% of all reds I try. these are my personal tried and true recommendations

natures cure- red thai and red borneo are both awesome I can use during the day, mostly blended but the red bali really knocks me out. to me its like how I would expect a pain pill to work without the vomiting..the premium is worth the cost if you need something special on occasion. ( also yellow gold )

COB- red Vietnam and Agatha ( yellow Vietnam )

Oregon kratom- red bali, red borneo, super red

gold leaf botanicals- dark red mang da, red dragon, fuzzy dragon ( any gold )

inland- solar flare and red kapus hulu (gold md)

for me personally I prefer golds for day, they work well for pain relief. I use corydalis, skullcap, or wild lettuce from insense/ gold leaf for the nighttime wind down.

I hope this helps! good luck!
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Aches and Pain Relief - Please suggest alternative strains! 1 week 5 days ago #43112

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Gotcha! Thanks so much for providing this super forum.

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Aches and Pain Relief - Please suggest alternative strains! 1 week 5 days ago #43114

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Thanks to all!
I've had similar experiences with the red ball's (sedation). Naps and sleeping, for me comes way too easy anyway!
And gold bali's are a nice energetic, but less relief.
Those two different green ball's I mentioned assist me to recover from significant activity soreness, hip/back aches.

But I see some less-sedative reds were suggested, so I'll give them a shot!
So many choices suggested! Thank you! If you all were to pick just one that's analgesic with minimum sedation, I'll go out and try it. "Sampler packs don't work for me, as I really need an ounce of two over time, to eliminate all the variables.

I'm mostly concerned that what has been working fantastic for the last few years will diminish in its effectiveness, unless I "mix it up a bit".

Thanks!
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natures cure might be your best bet if you want weight. spring2019 is a promo code that should work for the key. they will even split it if you put the 2nd strain in the notes. they come in thse cool screw on tubs if you split it too. and shipping is super fast. and they usually send samples too. even request it if theres a certain one you want to try. they are a great bang/ buck for a primo product.
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Nature's cure Red Bali I will second that its very sedative. If you do not like sedation chose another Red.
I also tried Nature's cure Green Maeng Da. Its very restorative. I was trying to tour around LA on vacation and was fighting being sick and having to endure being on my feet for hours. No its no the physical punishment of surfing but I went around Santa Monica and ended up at the Getty. Gave me enough lift to go around the museum I have to admit with a lot of happy happy happy.
Michele and I endure similar pain, she's a chef and I'm a glorified sandwich maker - we suffer injuries like athletes. without the physique ;) . Wrist, shoulders, knees, back pain. Muscle soreness and fatigue. Plantar fasciitis OMG Michele I feel for you, I hate PF with a passion. I have to use sport tape on my foot twice a day. I have been able to avoid it for awhile but I am currently healing tendinitis. Both knees, shins and left ankle. Only shins and right knee still working on.( www.ilovekratom.com/forum/health-and-wel...he-knee#.XW3GbChKiUk )

I ordered their caps specifically to take with me on the plane. I do not do kilos for I am a low doser, so I haven't been able to try any other strains from them. I would end up with enough kratom for years.


How cool is it to have a surfer on the forum. 70 years young and catching the waves, your amazing!
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Welcome to ILK Oldfartsurfer. Great Name. If Kratom doesn't work for you then try out Incarvillea Sinensis 20:1 Extract. In my Opinion it is even Better at Pain Relief than Kratom but it can be Sedating. So that ones out for you unless you wanted to take it at bedtime.

I would just keep trying Red Strains & keep a Journal of which ones worked the Best & didn't Sedate you as much. Then you can try other Green & White Strains. You can also try Blending a Stimulating White or Green Strain with any of the Red Strains so that they won't Sedate you as much. Maybe mix them 50/50. Just some Options on the Table.

Kratom contains a potent blend of unique alkaloids that make it free from the majority of the problems that plague users of traditional pain medications, which can cause a variety of unpleasant and potentially dangerous side effects.

… But, there’s a catch.

Because of the varied alkaloids within different strains, not all kratom strains provide equal pain relief. This makes finding the best kratom for pain difficult for many new users.

Luckily, there are some time-tested guidelines that will make finding the ideal strain for pain much easier.



Where to Start: Kratom Strains for Pain Relief
To find a good kratom strain for pain, the best place to begin is in the Sunda Islands (Borneo, Bali, Malaysia, Java, Sumatra, et al.)

The bottom line?

Most kratom strains found in this region, such as Indonesia, have naturally developed a great alkaloid blend for pain relief, however, they can also be sedating.

For those who want pain relief with little sedation, many Malaysian kratom strains can also be very effective.

Indo, Borneo & Bali
As a rule of thumb, Indo strains, including Borneo and Bali strains, are considered some of the best kratom strains for relieving pain.

But, they tend to be somewhat sedating.

Sedation can be either a good or bad thing depending on the person and condition, so it would be good to take this into account when looking for the ideal strain.

It is important to note: although all these strains have generally similar characteristics, there is some variation between them.

Bali, for instance, tends to be more prone to cause side effects than either Borneo or Indo, but is one of the most reliably potent strains for pain. While Borneo and Indo tend to be smoother in effects and additionally good for stress.

Malaysian Strains
Malaysian strains, especially green Malaysian varieties, are slightly less effective for kratom pain relief, but tend to cause less sedation than Borneo and Bali strains.

Because of this, these strains can be great for anyone who wants a strain that doesn’t interfere with energy levels.

But take note:

Malaysian strains can vary in pain relieving potential. For this reason, you may have to go through some trial and error before finding a reliably potent and pain relieving Malay strain.

Maeng Da
Maeng Da — the “king” of kratom strains — is one of the most popular due to its powerful pain-relieving and stimulating properties.

However, some find Maeng Da to be too stimulating. As such, using Maeng Da for pain may not be a great choice for everyone!

Take note that the characteristics of Maeng Da vary from supplier to supplier, and so it it will take some trial and error before finding the ideal variety for you.

Because each individual has different body and brain chemistry, the only way to find the best kratom for pain is through testing.

Finding the Right Vein Type
Choosing the right vein type is absolutely key to getting optimal pain relief.

There are three common vein types to be aware of:

Red Vein
Green Vein
White Vein
In summary:

Red vein kratom tends to be overall better for pain relief than other strains, but comes with more sedation than the other varieties.

Green vein kratom is another very viable option for pain relief. Greens tends to be more balanced in effects than reds, and as such cause much less sedation. Additionally, green veins tend to last longer overall, and this can be very useful when dealing with pain.

White vein kratom is by far the least effective for pain, but it has many other uses, and as such is worth trying.



Preparation Methods for Maximum Effectiveness
Preparation is an important aspect of getting the most pain relief out of your kratom.

Common methods that are effective for pain include:

Mixtures
Capsules
“Toss and Wash”
If you choose to use capsules, I suggest capping them yourself. The price for kratom in capsules is exorbitant compared to the cost of the pain leaf.

For mixtures, many have found stirring or shaking the leaf powder in a juice or in yogurt very effective.

Beware:

The “toss and wash” method, while effective, involves taking the powder whole and washing it down with a liquid. If you choose this route, start with low doses, as it can go hilariously (and painfully) wrong before you get the technique down.

Because of the solubility of alkaloids found within kratom, it is often less effective to make tea out of the leaf if using it for pain relief — that is unless you drink the leaf material as well.

The reason for this is that many alkaloids may not be fully absorbed into the water, reducing effectiveness.



Kratom and Pain: How does it Work?
One of the most common questions I am asked is why kratom is so effective in this regard. However, to understand the answer, you have to understand how pain works.

When an injury occurs, such as a bruise or burn, affected nerves send a message up the spine to the the central nervous system and brain, which causes a variety of neuronal responses.

One of these responses is the production of endorphins to reduce the perception of this pain.

Alkaloids found in these leaves, especially 7-hydroxymitragynine and mitragynine, function very similarly to the body’s natural endorphins. Once they reach the brain, these kratom alkaloids increase signaling at receptors which reduce the perception of pain of almost all varieties, from the sharp sting from a cut to the dull bone-deep ache of back pain.

Because of this, when looking for a good kratom strain for pain, you will want to find a strain that is high in 7-hydroxymitraginine content.

One of the most amazing things about kratom, unlike other medications, is that it is a plant.

Because of this, Vendors & Suppliers have the ability to breed strains for specific qualities and features, which can make for an even more effective treatment for pain and reduce any potential side effects in the future.
If anybody has any Questions about Kratom please private message me or make a Post & I will be glad to answer as soon as I can usually within 24 hours if not sooner. I'm usually on really late at night Between Midnight & 5am.
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