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TOPIC: Samanila outbreak source

Salmonella outbreak source 2 years 2 months ago #26175

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Thank, I'll check it out! Saw there home page, looks good! Will contact them!

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Salmonella outbreak source 2 years 2 months ago #26170

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I am not sure if they ship to the US but, they have a facebook page or you can get to their contact form from their home page .

They have always responded quickly to me in both locations.

They also explained that they purchase almost exclusively from a single source so very unlikely to be getting some of the same stuff from the contaminated batches.

Also their own staff test each new batch personally before it goes out to customers.

I feel pretty safe, but I also purchase for my 97 yr old mother... Severe salmonella infection could kill her so I need to be careful!

Actually I have never had a problem with any of the Kratom I have purchased from Canadian vendors ... my immune system seems to be OK with it and I have never reacted to any of it...unlike Cannabis when I had a really bad allergic reaction to some CBD oil.
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Salmonella outbreak source 2 years 2 months ago #26169

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Do they ship to the US?

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Salmonella outbreak source 2 years 2 months ago #26168

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Just heard back from my favourite Kratom vendor in Canada.

That is Canada Kratom Express.

The said that they test every batch for:

We also test every batch we receive for the following parameters:

  • Mitragynine
    Moisture Content
    Heavy Metals: Zinc, Lead, Copper, Iron, Mercury, Arsenic
    E.Coli
    Salmonella

I really like their products..best I have tried in Canada. So if any Canadians are wondering about safety...this vendor has been safe for me.
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Salmonella outbreak source 2 years 2 months ago #26163

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Well said Laurie. As a former/current quality control chemist I can say with certainty that the best foot forward for vendors is to TEST their stuff if they are not already doing it now. It will incur additional cost but consumer safety should be of utmost importance. I will gladly pay more for peace of mind.(L)
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If Kratom is 'NOT for human consumption' and therefore NOT regulated by the FDA......how does this make any sense at all? How can the FDA investigate something that's not under its arm?


Even though Kratom is NOT for human consumption if it carries salmonella it is a risk for public safety.
If you are handling the Kratom for making soap or candles, or if you are handling it for burning as incense you do get the stuff on your hands. It then can EASILY find its way to your mouth resulting in a salmonella infection.

Since salmonella is an infection usually carried on food, I think this falls under their jurisdiction (best guess - no expert). In fact if you go to the FDA website, the Kratom notices are in the FOOD section.
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Salmonella outbreak source 2 years 2 months ago #26153

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Laurie wrote: To add some comfort regarding safety, I’m noticing vendors are blatantly saying in bold letters on their webpages exactly what they’re doing now and what their safety goals are. Many are e-blasting their newsletters with this topic at the head. Transparency exists in the kratom community! Special!


Today I received an email from a Kratom Vendor, saying:

"We have executed a voluntary product recall and are fully cooperating with the FDA's investigation of Salmonella associated with kratom products. Additionally, we have suspended all orders and shipments pending thorough cleaning and disinfection processes and extensive environment and product testing."

If Kratom is 'NOT for human consumption' and therefore NOT regulated by the FDA......how does this make any sense at all? How can the FDA investigate something that's not under its arm?

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Salmonella outbreak source 2 years 2 months ago #26146

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Oh, ok. I misunderstood. I thought when you said, "Many of the ILK approved vendors have already been investing in these safety features for some time now.", that you were saying you specifically knew appoved vendors that had been investing in safety measures.

I definitely already have had confirmation from my vendors of specific safety regulations and clean practices. It is vital to have a level of respect for your customers and the product you provide. That leads you to take appropriate sanitary and responsible measures in production and packaging.

I am happy and impressed with the detailed responses and transparency displayed!
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To add some comfort regarding safety, I’m noticing vendors are blatantly saying in bold letters on their webpages exactly what they’re doing now and what their safety goals are. Many are e-blasting their newsletters with this topic at the head. Transparency exists in the kratom community! Special!
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Hi KayKay!

From what I have experienced - and I am not on ILK staff and this is just my observation over the past few years - the ILK vendor approval application process INCLUDES questions about minimal safety measures being done to assure product is contaminant free (including the FDA’s cGMP’s or current Good Manufacturing Processes).

This has not ALWAYS been a part of the application process. But it HAS been basically since shortly after BanMania 2016 FROM WHAT I RECALL.

The best way TODAY to be sure is to email or call your vendor of interest and ask about their practices with regard to filtering for contaminants. For now.

Part of the changes occurring on ILK are to help highlight the vendors who have been approved by ILK to be above par in the kratom vendor community.

I could be wrong here, hopefully clarification will be added:

There should be a cGMP (current Good Manufacturing Practices) on the website of those already meeting the FDA cGMP. Some already are, since contamination is an issue of concern within the kratom community and has been long before the salmonella outbreaks.

The salmonella outbreak is merely hurrying vendors along. It’s expensive to have the system set up. Vendors aren’t keen to have to incur the additional costs (substantial), so there might not be as much of a market for the “cheapest kilos” going forward. The cost of safety will be shared by all of us. As it should be.
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