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TOPIC: Stopping opiate abuse Guide

Stopping opiate abuse Guide 3 months 6 days ago #33401

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Please consider that I never IV-ed anything, I had a very serious OxyContin, oxycodone, hydrocodone, morphine, diladid, tramadol, etc. habit and did this. I used red vien Bali, for whatever that’s worth, and had no withdrawals. Just didn’t get high and destroy my body anymore. But I went from 40mg of OxyContin 2-3 times a day, at the end jumped to Kratom with no taper. Not on purpose. I ran out. But it was fine. Please get some other answers before taking my advice. I don’t know a thing about suboxone or subtex or any of that opiate crap they give to to get off the opiates they gave you in the first place, with the exception of methadone, but that was somewhere in the middle. You’ve got to love that they give you some crap that makes you not sick, still bad for you, and no fun. Kratom worked to lift my mood and eliminate withdrawals completely. It’s been years and I’ve never looked back.

Take that for what it’s worth. Just my experience.

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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 3 months 6 days ago #33403

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With all of that said, I realized that you said you’re going to stop now and just placed an order. Unless it’s being overnighted, prepare to be sick for a bit. I hope withdrawals from suboxone isn’t worse that what I was taking, and can’t inagine it is, but because I don’t know, just brace yourself. I have a had a serious benzo problem and my withdrawals can kill me. Fortunately, as awful as you will feel from opiate withdrawals, it’s not usually fatal. Especially your case. Doesn’t sound like you were on it long, but I don’t know if it just holds off your morphine withdrawals, which would be much worse. I assume you were IVing, since that and diladid have such awful bioavailability when taken orally. Anyhow, maybe get some anti-diarrheal OTC medicine. I forget what it’s called but it is supposed to really help with the sickness you will be feeling. Not just the bowel part, it apparently works with the same receptors in your brain as opiates. Good for the gap between your last sub dose and the arrival of your Kratom.
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 3 months 6 days ago #33406

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Welcome to the best kratom forum ever, DeAnna!

Loperamide is an pill opiate to keep your butt from getting dehydrated with the poops. Handy to have.

I have no experience with subs.

Just stay on your schedule until your order arrives and we are your support group to lend advice as warranted.

Dehydration and choking on vomit is how people die. Not the actual withdrawal. Only alcohol is lethal if stopped suddenly.

Loperamide is the opiate for diarrhea and it’s still OTC even tho it’s apparently being abused and on the FDA radar to put it behind the counter. Next to the romaine lettuce.

I detoxed from 60mg oxi and didn’t come close to dying. It was a horrible flu feeling for 12 days. Then I remembered I ordered kratom for this - duh. It was RIGHT THERE THE WHOLE TIME.

Subs have like a 2 week half life or something awful. I hope you have one dose or two if you should need them while we wait for your order.

Congratulations on taking the hardest steps. Deciding finally NOW is harder than anything. My brain told me I NEED stuff I didn’t NEED.

I used weed some to eat something (munchies) and sleep.

We’re here for you. Poor August. That must have been terrifying! What a gift it is to have you now HELPING OTHERS! Wow! Love this group!
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 3 months 6 days ago #33409

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Thanks for your responses! I do have immodium on hand and although I still have suboxone, I have read that the Kratom works best if it is out of your system several days to a week. The last dose I took was two mornings back and so far, it's not bad yet. I woke up in sweats this morning and have a little pain. I assume it takes several days to go into full on withdrawals, so I decided if that happens I will break a suboxone into peices and take as little as possible to get to a tolerable state until my order arrives.
I have not told anyone close to me that I am doing this. My family feels it is a bad idea especially right at holiday season, but really is there ever a good time? So I appreciate so much your responses and you guys are legit bad arses for kicking something as difficult as opiates! I am definitely taking your advice.
I did pay extra to get it here in two to three days so maybe it will show tomorrow. I'm going to keep sticking it out as long as I can. I know it's a head thing. I'm going to keep telling myself the withdrawals aren't real. Until they are too real lol! Again, thanks so much for the responses
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 3 months 5 days ago #33423

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You can go into withdrawal from subs. the ironic part is they give it to you in detox for 5 to 7 days which isnt enough. So you leave detox still going through withdrawals. subs are really a maintenance drug or best used when doing a slow taper off them.
The FDA does have a legitimate reason for concern with Loperamide as people are using it to get high and putting their health at risk. As much as i hate to agree with the FDA you will see a limit on how much Loperamide someone can purchase.
Now besides the lettuce, ground chicken and beef are being recalled. Sad when our food is killing us and its not junk food. But it comes down to profit and not producing the food from the animals properly.
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 3 months 5 days ago #33424

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Thanks for the clarification there Laurie. You’re right, choking on vomit is a serious potential consequence. Just make yourself chug water to avoid the other thing. If you throw it up, yes, use some cannabis and try again. That and raw ginger root are the best anti-nausea agents out there if you ask me. If the cannabis is legal where you are of course. I don’t advocate anything illegal.

That half-life sounds rough. I couldn’t imagine it would be worse than years of oxy use, but I wouldn’t put it past our friends in the pharm industry to create such an awful thing to get us off the other crap they put us on. Well, not in my case, but most. Overprescribing of hydrocodone is what got me started down the wrong path.
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 3 months 5 days ago #33425

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DeAnna wrote: I placed my order today. I'm wondering if I could be going about this wrong. I skipped my Suboxone today and don't intend on taking it again. Is it possible to go cold turkey from 8mg Suboxone? For a week or so I've only been taking it every other day. I really do not like this medication and I am desperate to get off of it. I've only been on it for two months, but prior to that I was on high doses of morphine. I know most are tapering their doses first, but has anyone gone cold turkey from subs to Kratom?


Whatever you want to do...you are in charge!

What are you afraid of? ...Withdrawal?

Withdrawal simply indicates that opiate receptors are empty and you can always fill them with a dose of Kratom.
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 2 months 2 weeks ago #33610

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I am also availabe. I have experianced the same things on my journy. I am here to tell anyone . That this plant can save your life like mine, Trew much research and a lot of money spent. I have finally found a great source for the best kratom and quality. I've been able to eleminate many symtoms and perscription.I,m a recoveing opid addict and suffer from multiple symtom. I was on herion and multiple drugs and this plant has changed my life, This is a amazing group to be in. Everyone is very friendly and inforumed. Together we will rise above the FDA and most important save live by informing and caring for one another.Help peopleto find the right sources which i have found a amazinig source, I also will put my email if ANYONE would like a person to talk to one on one.. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Stopping opiate abuse Guide 1 month 3 weeks ago #34127

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DeAnna wrote: I placed my order today. I'm wondering if I could be going about this wrong. I skipped my Suboxone today and don't intend on taking it again. Is it possible to go cold turkey from 8mg Suboxone? For a week or so I've only been taking it every other day. I really do not like this medication and I am desperate to get off of it. I've only been on it for two months, but prior to that I was on high doses of morphine. I know most are tapering their doses first, but has anyone gone cold turkey from subs to Kratom?


Hey I don't know where you are at in your journey 5 weeks later BUT I have my experience to add here.I went CT from Subutex, which is suboxone without the Naloxone. I was taking 16-24mg a day for 2 years! I stopped CT 7 days ago and picked up taking Kratom the very next morning and I've experienced almost NO withdrawal symptoms of ANY kind.

I generally take 3g White or Green in the morning
4g at lunch of white or green or a mix
5-6g around 4-5pm of Red Bali or Red Maeng Da

No dizziness, No RLS, No diarrhea, Very limited running sinuses.

Yes you should Taper but you do not HAVE TO. That is up to you and Kratom can and will help tremendously with the withdrawals that you would otherwise experiences when kicking suboxone. Suboxone DEF have withdrawls when coming off anything over 2mg a day from EVERYTHING i've read and my very personal experience.
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